That is one awesome doom switch.

Ya, But your not grasping the extent of what I'm really saying. When you play a couple million hands online & 85-90% of the cooler hands youve played during that period go to the other player there's something bad wrong. Also when someone turns down a significant amount of money based on what they believe, You should stand up & listen, maybe there's something to it. Obviously I'm not some random that has no clue about poker

lol why would that be any reason to believe somebody? all that tells me is that they truly believe themselves, as you seem to. i think when every other respectable professional tells you one thing you should "stand up & listen"

Well I agree that I'm not providing statistical proof here.

I'm not even expecting anyone to believe it that's ran good online, all i'm saying is personally I know they are cheating me & at a minimum the very fact that someone like me that is not a complete random & has been playing at a top level for a long time should at least open some eyes. There's plenty of people that know it isn't on the up & up, but you won't find many here as they've been banned a long time ago.


& I've had some really bad beats live as well, just a few weeks ago I lost KK on K88 board 4 handed to 88 after the same guy beat me earlier in the night with AA on Axx22 board when I had A2s.

And I'm not suggesting that you're some random. Look you deposited 200 bucks, it's like a joke, you're just going on there to waste sometime/fool around a little.
You'll never convince me that Ipoker is rigged (at least not the RNG and honeymoon periods, etc.) As I'll never convince you that it's not.
I just thought I'd throw that out there (my original post)

EDDtown,

it is likely that you are grossly exaggerating how many hands you've played online because it would make you seem more qualified to say online poker is rigged.

Do you know how long it would take you to play a couple/few million hands? That is a reaaaaaaaaalllllllllllllllyyyyyyyyyyyyy big amount of hands. I'm sure some of the online pros here could clarify how many hours/tables it may take to put in 2 million hands.

Im well aware that it's extremely tough to convince someone that's not being cheated. However outside of this forum, the majority of players that have played online believe its rigged. Polls have proved it.

All you have to do is walk in any poker room & 75% believe its rigged. Obviously not the one they ran here because the forum is filled with players who have won & benefitted from it. But players that win online are never going to be convinced that they've benefitted from someone else being handicapped.

I played around 1.5 million in 2004 & 2005 alone. Was in the top 5 at Fulltilt for frequent player points for a while

pokertracker / HEM screen shot? if that's true, isn't that an awful lot of hands to follow through with after you discovered online poker is rigged?

I've told this story before, but when full tilt was new, I signed up & signed a lot of other players up using my screenname as referral. Coincedence have it, It was the only time that my account has ever ran average or above for more than a couple of days, I ran a few hundred dollars up over 6 figures in a couple of months. I was on a 24 day winning streak playing 4-6 tables a time, several thousand hands a day. Then lost 15 straight days before I won another session, I've never been able to win since.

Before Fulltilt opened I was getting coldecked on party, paradise, UB

I absolutely agree that more live players believe it's rigged than don't, particularly before BF and I'm sure that even with a lot of us going to play live more that number is still very high.

I also can tell you that most live players have invested very little time playing ip because they enjoy live and don't really care about ip.

Most guys (live players) enjoy talking about how rigged ip is, I know that they exchange stories about I heard this and that and blah blah blah but most of them really know nothing about it. (I know you played a lot, I'm talking the general public that plays live)

Gabe, you're entitled to your opinion and I have no need to persuade you otherwise but 2+2 is certainly the wrong place to expect a open ear about Ip is rigged kinda like me coming to a casino and trying to tell them ip is totally legit.

Wait, so live players think online is rigged and online players think it's not?

This is amazing and revolutionary news! I'm going to start a new thread!

Please don't, you haven't fully recovered from the most recent one...

OP, I would happily take any online poker account in your name and win with it over say, 10K hands, albeit at nanostakes. I imagine many other players would be willing to perform the same task for you.

I have really tried to be respectful and polite with EDDtown despite his repeated delusional rantings, but I am just about out of patience. He swears that he is done posting in this thread several times, but just keeps pulling an Energizer Bunny on us. He keeps on going with his drivel about online poker being rigged against him, about him having the highest final table percentage of anyone with 100 tournaments played (Gabe, can you please tell us where you got that statistic? Who is second in that category?), about him being an 80+% favorite over any online player, about how the top players in the world all play in his home casino, about how casinos cheat with infrared lasers, about how his challenges were figurative and not literal, about his having won millions of dollars playing poker full-time (but not having more than 40K to play for), and many more such absurd conspiracy theories.

He said many times that he would play any online player any time. Yet when I challenged him, he took days to respond (and then obviously did so only to save face). Then he said that he would respond to me within a day with the logistics of the match. He took ten days and only did so because of the heat he was getting on the thread. Then he claimed that he was done with the thread and would contact me on PM. He never contacted me on PM until I posted in the thread that he had not. I responded immediately and suggested a date. He did respond fairly quickly with a response to my proposed date - but when I then pm'd back with regards to an escrow, he did not respond. I've since sent him two more pms asking if he could find a couple of people to vouch for anyone he would want to escrow with - or if he would accept my choice of person who would escrow for 0% vig. Once again, he has not responded.

In the meantime, while being too busy "watching the market" to respond to me, he has posted many times in this thread (after saying he was done posting on here) to defend his claim that online poker is rigged against him. I mean after all, he lost with AA against 33! How could that ever be possible?

I am sick and tired of wasting my time with this pathetic excuse of a man. First he boasts and challenges. Then he backs down from the challenge, claiming that it was a figurative challenge. Then he accepts to save face, but tries to say he can't play for more than a certain amount (clearly expecting me to refuse). When I agree, he delays and finds every tactic that he can find to avoid playing me while trying to lose minimal face in the thread.

Gabe, you have made a mockery of yourself. There is no avoiding the fact that you are a tin-hat wearing lunatic who will never be any more than comic relief: a laughingstock in the poker world who can't write a single sentence without a spelling or grammatical error. At the very least, you could have maintained your integrity and self-respect by following through with your ill-advised challenge when I accepted it. I for one, actually believed in your integrity despite your obvious lunacy. Obviously, I was wrong to do so.

Answer my PM in clear unambiguous terms if you intend to go through with the match. I won't hold my breath.

Yea, np. I didn't think your post was too harsh. I was directing that at you a little, but also to the other party to this bet ... and mostly trying to head off other random people from jumping on me.


I would tend to think that you have friends and acquaintances who would do this for free, so that would clearly be your best option.


Good luck.




EDIT now that I see the post right above this one:

I guess I'll change the intention of my good luck to good luck getting the match to happen first and then good luck in it second.

2:1 on Gabe claims to be offended and won't honour the agreement for that reason.

WHOA, Where did that come from? Didn't take your medicine today Samo?

Did someone hack your account?

Unfortunately, samoleus, you fell into his trap, and now he hit his 1 outer and will blame everything on you as to why the match that was never going to happen will never happen.

Samo is full of Shiit, I just sent him a PM yesterday about the venue situation & about possibly having John Dolan handle the money for us. I had read a thread on this forum a couple of weeks ago about Samo trying to ruin someone's character & about him being a weirdo or something. Now it comes out.

You have to be one of the most disrepectful posters on the site & thats saying a lot. Unbelievable???

I'd rather challenge you to a fist fight than a poker match now. Fckn weirdo.

Is there anything that he said that isn't factual in that post?

[x] backing out confirmed

what a shame, just the excuse this pathetic nut job was looking for to pull out of the match. Samo was just saying what everyone else already knows or has said in this thread, you're nuts Gabe, totally off your rocker.

This fckn guy, Comes to a forum because he got his feathers ruffled about what I said about online players, challenges me to play, begs me to play. Then I actually accept his weird challenge. Then insults my character & accusses me of trying to back out when we aren't supposed to be playing until early Sept. Everything was pretty much set except for the plane ticket, And I have all of the PMs for proof of his lying.

it seems like he still is ready to play, theres no reason for the match not to happen, is there? What was weird about his challenge, he took what looks to most like an easy spot to make some money.