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08-14-2011 , 05:11 PM
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Originally Posted by EDDtown
I don't know who you are but I think you just lost any decent reputation. Offering to hold cash for $4000. You must think we are complete morons. People like you amaze me
Gabe, next time you post can you add to the thread by:

1. suggesting an escrow that you trust that is reputable in the poker community

and/or

2. comment on what you think of samo's idea to get an escrow he knows personally and believes to be 100% trustworthy (that would charge zero vig)
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08-14-2011 , 05:15 PM
Good to see this match is actually happening I will be interested to hear the results. Back at page 20 this seemed like a complete joke and Ed was making lame excuses.

He does belittle a lot of things without good reasoning but I will give props where it's due...Edd's putting money where his mouth is and I will have full respect for him win or lose assuming he goes through with this match.
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08-14-2011 , 05:18 PM
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Originally Posted by blah730235
Back at page 20 this seemed like a complete joke and Ed was making lame excuses.

...

He does belittle a lot of things without good reasoning but I will give props where it's due...Edd's putting money where his mouth is .
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Originally Posted by Daliman
But you have earned your nickname fairly, ... only agreeing to take this match out of shame.

and it's not even close to 100% happening yet

IMO
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08-14-2011 , 05:44 PM
fwiw, I will be happy to take 10% of Daliman's action if and when his match takes place.
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08-14-2011 , 05:51 PM
I think it's obvious that someone who is unknown in the poker world offering to escrow for 5% is levelling, even if they do have a sexy pony avatar.
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08-14-2011 , 05:52 PM
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Originally Posted by blah730235
Edd's putting money where his mouth is and I will have full respect for him win or lose assuming he goes through with this match.
I'm waiting until the match actually occurs, right now he is talking about putting his money where his mouth is, not quite the same thing.
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08-14-2011 , 06:29 PM
The escrow thing is gonna be interesting....
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08-14-2011 , 06:30 PM
Gabe ,I wish I could still get the 3-1 odds you offered me that I could not beat online poker on your online account bc they had it rigged for you to lose......You never put up the money .That would have been an easy 10 k

I just moved to biloxi so you will be seeing me around a lot.Try not to soul read me too much
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08-14-2011 , 08:29 PM
I actually offered you 10 to 1 Matt. I definately would have put it up, but since you'll take 3/1 then I'm sure well get another chance. I did put 200 on betonline a couple of days ago & run up to 4k playing HU, so wouldn't take the bet on that account, at least not right now. Maybe well try merge
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08-14-2011 , 10:16 PM
Did you EVER beat online poker over any SIGNIFICANT sample size on ANY site? What was the last rigged account/site you played on?

The games were infinitely easier years ago (ya know, back in the day before you started owning souls live). Sad you couldn't win back then.
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08-14-2011 , 10:26 PM
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Originally Posted by LT22
The games were infinitely easier years ago (ya know, back in the day before you started owning souls live). Sad you couldn't win back then.
He COULD have won, it's just that online flicked the doomswitch on him personally.
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08-14-2011 , 11:22 PM
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Originally Posted by samoleus
I am willing to escrow with one of his friends or someone that he knows as long as I can get a couple of people to vouch for that person.
Now when you say vouch, do you mean just vouch that he is a good guy, or vouch that he will cover your money if the escrow person makes off with it?
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08-14-2011 , 11:28 PM
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Originally Posted by EDDtown
I actually offered you 10 to 1 Matt. I definately would have put it up, but since you'll take 3/1 then I'm sure well get another chance. I did put 200 on betonline a couple of days ago & run up to 4k playing HU, so wouldn't take the bet on that account, at least not right now. Maybe well try merge
hey moron,

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Originally Posted by Seven7s
Lol You've just lost the small amount of credibility you had. You realize if your opponent shoved 100% of hands it'd be impossible to win 80% of your matches? Obviously the opponent wouldn't do this in practice, but point being your equity in all ins will be below 80% the majority of the time.
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08-15-2011 , 01:40 AM
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Originally Posted by MCRX7
hey moron,

Not sure what your implying by quoting those post. But if your agreeing with the poster who wrote the 2nd quote then your as ignorant as he is. That's like saying just because the dice only fall on 7 once in 6 times, That the players have a 5 to 1 advantage over the house.
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08-15-2011 , 01:43 AM
Spoke briefly with Gabe this evening.

In the words of Antanas Guoga, he's got heart and commitment.

And he's qualified.

I'm just a small stakes 1/2NL guy, trying to build a live roll at the moment, but I'd consider taking Gabe in this match for the right price. (Caveat: I no longer play online, so I'm not sure how we'd transfer funds.)

Last edited by randomrules; 08-15-2011 at 01:55 AM.
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08-15-2011 , 02:50 AM
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Originally Posted by EDDtown
I don't know who you are but I think you just lost any decent reputation. Offering to hold cash for $4000. You must think we are complete morons. People like you amaze me
lol

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Originally Posted by samoleus
butterfly pony, I hope you did not take my post as my questioning your integrity. I believe you that you are indeed very reputable. I just think paying 5% vig just for a match escrow is silly. As I said, I have several highly reputable - and famous (in the poker community) - friends and colleagues that I expect to do this for free. And if I am wrong about that, there will be plenty of others that will do it for five times less than what you are asking (or less).

Again, this is not a reflection on your being reputable at all: just the amount that you were requesting. Thanks for the offer, but I will respectfully decline.
*TROLL ASPLODE*
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08-15-2011 , 02:55 AM
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Originally Posted by randomrules
Spoke briefly with Gabe this evening.

In the words of Antanas Guoga, he's got heart and commitment.

And he's qualified.

I'm just a small stakes 1/2NL guy, trying to build a live roll at the moment, but I'd consider taking Gabe in this match for the right price. (Caveat: I no longer play online, so I'm not sure how we'd transfer funds.)
Im not interested in betting but what do you consider the right price? Gabe considers himself an 80% favorite
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08-15-2011 , 02:57 AM
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Originally Posted by EDDtown
Not sure what your implying by quoting those post. But if your agreeing with the poster who wrote the 2nd quote then your as ignorant as he is. That's like saying just because the dice only fall on 7 once in 6 times, That the players have a 5 to 1 advantage over the house.
please correct me if I'm wrong here... but you're willing to offer 10-1 odds in HU matches against certain people correct?

If you backed up this offer it would be horrible for you, because even if your opponent open jammed every single hand you would rarely ever even get to be an 82% favorite.

do you see the discrepancy here?

I think the point is that you are vastly overestimating your edge.

And if I'm looking at this incorrectly then I'll request a self-ban on my account. Prob shoot myself after that too.
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08-15-2011 , 03:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Ziplok
Im not interested in betting but what do you consider the right price? Gabe considers himself an 80% favorite
That speaks to his heart and commitment, not mine.

I guess I don't know what the right price is yet, to be honest. But someone suggested Niman was a 3-1 fave, and that seemed somewhat enticing to me.

Like I said, I'm a small stakes guy. So I'm not sure it'd be worthwhile to ship online, with fees and whatnot, unless there's someone else in Biloxi who's willing to wager.

Gosh, I hope this doesn't seem like I'm backing out, because I'm not.
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08-15-2011 , 05:15 AM
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Originally Posted by randomrules
That speaks to his heart and commitment, not mine.

I guess I don't know what the right price is yet, to be honest. But someone suggested Niman was a 3-1 fave, and that seemed somewhat enticing to me.

Like I said, I'm a small stakes guy. So I'm not sure it'd be worthwhile to ship online, with fees and whatnot, unless there's someone else in Biloxi who's willing to wager.

Gosh, I hope this doesn't seem like I'm backing out, because I'm not.
Gabe thinks he's a 4-1 favorite or something like that. Everyone else thinks Samo is favored. Samo is offereing to bet on himself at -120 so there it is.

If people want 3-1 odds to bet on Gabe they're not going to get it.

If people want to bet on Samoleus without laying odds they're not going to get it.

Some have suggested Samo as a -120 favorite as an opening line. The interesting question is IMO whether or not anyone will be willing to bet on Gabe at that price. Of course Gabe should be interested at that price but I doubt he will take advantage of the opportunity for some reason or another.

This is all assuming the match takes place of course. What the line is on that is a whole other story.

Me personally, I'm still leaning towards the Gabe is all talk and the match won't happen theory. If it does happen though, that changes things. Considering the prevailing attitude ITT Samo should end up being favored by more than -120 and if the price becomes much better than that I would consider betting on Gabe myself. I am not hoping to get 3-1 though, that's just ridiculous.
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08-15-2011 , 05:21 AM
I would like to make a bet on this match not happening...but Im sure this thread will drag on till next year and I will forget about my bet.
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08-15-2011 , 06:09 AM
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Originally Posted by MCRX7
please correct me if I'm wrong here... but you're willing to offer 10-1 odds in HU matches against certain people correct?

If you backed up this offer it would be horrible for you, because even if your opponent open jammed every single hand you would rarely ever even get to be an 82% favorite.

do you see the discrepancy here?

I think the point is that you are vastly overestimating your edge.

And if I'm looking at this incorrectly then I'll request a self-ban on my account. Prob shoot myself after that too.
He offered me odds on my money that I could not run his full tilt account up playing any game any stakes I want to play.He said his name was doom switched and I would lose no matter what stakes or game i played on his account.I could have won the bet with only a 100 dollar bankroll and started off playing 5 card draw.It was a dead lock bet but the money was never put up .I also could have won the bet with a short bankroll starting off with the 3 dollar 90 mans. On his stars account I would have only needed 10 dollars starting off playing the 10-20 cent 5 card draw and would have never went broke on any so called doomswitched screen name

Gabe I think your a nice guy but your name was not doom switched .I never went broke bc I never played out of my bankroll.I think if you would have used the same roll you use for live online you would have had no problem beating the internet.I think you were too paranoid about it being rigged and never gave it a chance and always just took shots instead of trusting it and using enough roll to overcome the variance of your so called doomswitched screen name. Good luck in your heads up match if yall ever end up playing!!
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08-15-2011 , 09:41 AM
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Originally Posted by MCRX7
please correct me if I'm wrong here... but you're willing to offer 10-1 odds in HU matches against certain people correct?

If you backed up this offer it would be horrible for you, because even if your opponent open jammed every single hand you would rarely ever even get to be an 82% favorite.

do you see the discrepancy here?

I think the point is that you are vastly overestimating your edge.

And if I'm looking at this incorrectly then I'll request a self-ban on my account. Prob shoot myself after that too.


Your a little confused, You should actually read the thread before you start commenting on it, The 10 to 1 bet had nothing to do with this HU match.


And just because an opponent could shove everyhand & the favorite is rarely above 80% to win, doesn't mean that an opponent couldn't be a better than 4/1 favorite to win a match that consist of more than 1 hand & more than 1 rebuy. We are not putting all 40k on the table at once. And since Samo believes in his abilities & wants to win, I'm sure he will not be shoving everyhand preflop.

On the craps table, the house generally has a very small edge on each indivual bet. A lot less than 80%, but over time they are 100% guareenteed to win. Get it now
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08-15-2011 , 10:31 AM
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Originally Posted by sharky21222
He offered me odds on my money that I could not run his full tilt account up playing any game any stakes I want to play.He said his name was doom switched and I would lose no matter what stakes or game i played on his account.I could have won the bet with only a 100 dollar bankroll and started off playing 5 card draw.It was a dead lock bet but the money was never put up .I also could have won the bet with a short bankroll starting off with the 3 dollar 90 mans. On his stars account I would have only needed 10 dollars starting off playing the 10-20 cent 5 card draw and would have never went broke on any so called doomswitched screen name

Gabe I think your a nice guy but your name was not doom switched .I never went broke bc I never played out of my bankroll.I think if you would have used the same roll you use for live online you would have had no problem beating the internet.I think you were too paranoid about it being rigged and never gave it a chance and always just took shots instead of trusting it and using enough roll to overcome the variance of your so called doomswitched screen name. Good luck in your heads up match if yall ever end up playing!!

Matt, I think your a nice guy too, but maybe a little young dumb naive is what I like to call it. I don't understand why you are making statements about my online play & bankroll management since youve never watched me play online. The funny thing is I've played a lot more hands than you online. I've been playing since online poker 1st hit the internet. And if you call playing millions of hands online & depositing over 200 times & NEVER cashing anything out unless I was playing someone elses account just variance, then I think you need a stats course.

And if you think its because I don't know what I'm doing, then Id be glad to sit with you one day & play, talk strategy, if you can tell me anything I haven't heard before & if I cant break yours down & tell you exactly where you have leaks & where you could pick up edge, Id be shocked. Guys like me are the ones coming up the adaptive strategys that guys like you are reading over the forums. Has it ever crossed your mind that someone that's made millions playing poker & hasn't had a job in 10 years & wins as consistently as I do & can teach a young girl that's a right brained artist to play at a high level & win might actually know what they're talking about when it comes to poker.

Anyway, If you want to talk about online poker, lets do it outside of this thread.
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08-15-2011 , 11:22 AM
So Gabe, any progress with the match? Have you found someone suitable for escrow?
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