Can't believe this mouth-breather is still carrying on. Live players overrate tells because it makes them think they have an advantage. This much is obvious. Also, live games are more passive not because people like to make reads postflop (as OP says), but because they generally suck at poker (they, like OP, will disagree with you and spout jibberish to the contrary) and haven't arrived at the (basic) concepts of isolation, semi-bluffs, thin value and balance that are weapons in any decent players bag.

Also, to reiterate, tournament results are like 5% skill. You're stupid as **** if you think otherwise. Final tables reached over a small sample are meaningless. Sorry to the world for tapping the glass ITT.

thanks

I think your tapping your own tank, maybe not against the average player, but certainly against a player like me. Your oblivious , most of the money I've made over the years has been from online players that think the way you do.


And tournament results are probably mostly luck the way you play because your flipping marginal equity situations. At the beginning maybe not as much as your trying to chip up isolating weak players when the chip value is small. In the late stages your playing other good players & you all try to beat each other in marginally equitable spots. Thus creating much luck.

I've found ways to reduce luck & can pretty much cash in 1 in 3 or 4 tourneys with having top 25% chips in most cashes since I exploit bubbles as well but differently than most players. I normally get most of my chips from players like yourself.

Also when your talking about basic concepts , isolating etc. Stating live players don't do this. Your talking About the avg. bad live player. I'm talking about world class live players that can do all the things you described plus isolate you.

Jerry Yang probably thinks he's great too.

I think most people are forgetting the obvious.

Live games are mostly 10 handed and frequently much deeper than online, also they commonly have 5-6+ huge fish in the game that like to limp from EP/overlimp LP/cold call 3 bets/make funky donks/etc.
Due to the sheer number of people that want to see a flop, this basically eliminates the ability to isolate & outplay postflop (what are you gonna do vs. 4 limpers? + 2 blinds)
So the game changes to a more honest nut-peddaling one. There's usually more than 1 sherrif on the table to prevent rampid bluffing.

Conversely, online people can multitable, see 20-30x the number of hands per hour and thus average table VPIP goes WWAAYY down. So, then the game becomes one more involved with attacking blinds, etc.

This is why the old nit at the table can still stack the young-gun who 3 bets him with AKs and cant fold to his 4 bet. Old man always shows up with KK+ and young-gun internet kid cant adjust his stacking off range for a passive table, and probably has never flat called AKs pre in his life.

Sss:
The old nit who only raises, let alone reraises, KK+ is a pretty common phenomenon and it's hard to believe anyone who's decent at poker wouldn't figure this out after 5 hours of live play.

Ok Gabe, we get it, you are a world class live pro who deserves an incredible amount of respect for your amazing tournament results and ability to run over live PLO games for years.

Anything I missed?

Im sure Gabe is decent enough at poker... but wow... Could you be more delusional?

I've looked up the stats of 100's of people online and I've yet to encounter anyone who cashes 1/4 never mind 1/3 times over 1000+ MTTs. Even the ones that manage as high as 1/5 assuming 1 in 7 cash each tourney are ocassionally losing players because they nit up too much and have a ton of min cashes. I doubt your live sample goes beyond 100.

BTW I look forward to that HU duel that Samo proposed with you.

Nobody that presents themselves on a public forum in this way is ever as good as they think. Also played with your gf for hours deep in the main event and it's laughable that you think she is the best female player. I wouldn't put her in the top 30 and I don't even know 30 female players.

Oh yea.. anyone that misuses "you're" is a moron too

I used to think he might be decent at poker too, I no longer give him the benefit of the doubt though.

Ok lemme break this down for the guys/girls who dont understand this simple topic. Its pretty much common sense.

With anyhting in life its going come down to expierence. So the online guy is always going be the better player hands down IF he puts in the volume. Think of it like this which guy performs his skill set better the guy who performs his task 6k times a month or the guy who does it 50k times a month? I hope this helps.

CW

Gabe,

Is the match going to happen? Any progress being made at all on this front?

Oh, now I understand. Thank God you decided to contribute to this thread and edumakate us about the importance of "expierence."

The entire point of the debate is the age old argument that online play requires a limited skill set concentrated in math when compared to live play which requires people/tell reading skills. Something you may understand if you had more "expierence" in this forum.

Or if you don't personally relate to this simple topic, the 50k times you had cybersex at your computer is not the same as screwing 6,000 women.

boom. roasted.

That is incorrect logic. I agree that online players are better players than live players overall. But you can put deep thought into just a few hands and get greater insight than just playing thousands of hands without thinking too deeply about each one.

Why am I posting in this thread?

lol adeeb- that guy is ****ing terrible and angles alot in my experience (another important facet of live players), which is slightly limited (live plo games from 10/25 to 100/200+) - the skill set you are perceiving as useful to crush live games is only needed in a world in which fundamentals are absent- eg. inadequacies in being able to range an opponent and then run the corresponding numbers in which to base a decision are, in your eyes, sutured over and made up for by how some one fidgets in a seat, plays w chips, glances at the board instead of the opposing player, etc.- you cant provide any real evidence to support this, just anecdotes or isolated incidents that you perceive as fact- if you had the ability to just accept that all extra information in a game of incomplete information is useful to some extent then the false divide between live and online would just collapse on its face and this thread would be, as it should be, obsolete

But online poker IS poker. People that play it online and learn skills from it can easily use those skills live. Cybersex is SIMULATED sex, so the 50k times you have cybersex easily equals and surpasses 6k instances of phone sex, not actual sex. Also, you don't have to be good at math at all, but it helps, just like in almost anything.

But hey, nice try attempting to bolster an incoherent point. And LOL at a guy with 459 posts in 2 years talking about "expierience" in this forum. Is poor spelling required in "LIVEPLAYISALLTELLZ!" donks?

Agreed.

It depends what your Clintonian version of "is" and "sex" means. But if your definition of sex includes phone sex and sexting, you are completely missing the point.

If you think math helps with sex, you are doing it completely wrong. Baseball stats help.

Eddtown, I am still waiting. It has been about a week since you said that you would respond to me within a day with a venue and logistics. Could you please follow up or let me know what is causing the delay?

1st post but this is John Dolan. I live in Biloxi with Tyler Smith and we are willing to host the game if that would make it easier for both parties to set up this match.

this isn't really that difficult.

1) Find escrow for the $40k each.
2) Get a hotel room
3) Let Gabe run some type of radioactivity scanner through the room a few times to ensure the world isn't out to get him.
4) Go buy some decks of cards at the local store
5) PLAY POKER

Captain Obvious Warning but many online players review their big hands in tracking software after their sessions/get advice etc. This is another reason why online players are so much more evolved and sound than live regulars (in addition to seeing way more showdowns/the experience factor). After a few years in a particular game, you've come across most situations due to sheer volume (unlike live where it would take like 30 years).

Yes some live players get advice, review hands but they're generally getting advice likely from other idiots (relative to online coaches, experienced poasters, etc)

In after John Dolan.

Thanks for the offer. As I've said all along, I'm very low maintenance in this matter. As long as I feel comfortable in terms of security, I am willing to play anywhere. EDDtown seems to have all the various hangups and fear of cheating (even though I have offered to come to the venue of his choice), so we are waiting on him to come up with a venue that satisfies him.

About a week ago, he told me that he would respond within a day with a venue and other logistical details. I am still waiting.