You were still supposed to report the online winnings/losses on your taxes. If reporting as an amateur the winning sessions are other income and the losing sessions can be itemized deductions.

Same for the live winnings/losses.

And so if you reported the online winnings/losses you could have decreased your tax debt since you had an overall loss online and that would have reduced the overall amount of your live winnings.


Or if you report as a professional then you use Schedule C. Again, if you had included your online play you would have decreased your tax debt since the online losses would offset at least some of the live winnings and would decrease your overall "business income".


Or did you not report your live winnings on your taxes either? In that case then yea, reporting the results of your online play would not have reduced your tax debt.

Lego, I'm not talking about taxes, I used to be a financial advisor so I do my own taxes.

I'm was only talking about hand histories etc. for statistical proof of account targeting, cheating.

I ran across this quote the other day regarding daytrading, It reminds me a lot about the talk on this thread & is very applicable to talking about the mathmatical theory of poker which can be learned online vs. actually playing it in a live setting where other variables are involved.


"The idea that you can follow a simple system of rules and beat the market is worthless. It is as if someone who had a Ph.D. in advanced mathematics were to go to the North shore of Hawaii, assuming that his or her knowledge of differential equations were all that were needed to win a surfing competition against all those ignorant surfers who had no theoretical knowledge of wave mechanics. "

I just found it weird that you implied that you haven't kept records in the past. Was wondering how you managed to do your taxes without keeping records. Though of course there other reasons to keep records also.


Anyway, whatever, .... continue on with the thread.

Gabe, you're such a clown. I'm sorry buddy but this is ******ed. Now what, one online player is found cheating and suddenly it's confirmation of...what again? Online poker is rigged? What's the connection? How does your tiny brain make that connection?

And no one cheats live, right? Everyone is a ****ing angel of course...
Gabe, that kid would rape you in a HU confrontation, you and that girl Claudia or whatever her name is (pleeeeaaase let her play against Samo).
He would destroy both of you and send you completely depressed back to the mental hospital you escaped.

I really really hope you're not going to back down from Samo's challenge (not really your challenge anymore since he's been waiting for you to confirm for a week now), because even though you have absolutely zero credibility whatsoever, you could still show that you have some kind of self-respect, despite being a delusional nutcase.

But if you back down from that, man you're just a sad sad sad ****ing clown...

No one said that it was proof of RNG rigging, Only that it's human nature to those that don't have any moral ceiling as to what they would do if put in position to cheat. He had everything to lose & not much to gain with doing this, however he still did it. If your so naive & gullable to think that the operators of these sites are honest when the whole history of gambling is just filled with corrupt gangsters & mobsters from the pioneering of vegas with teamster funding - meyer lansky, bugsy siegal, Benny Binion & crew to the modern day era of michael milken funding, steve wynn etc. & hundreds of others I could name then I'm sorry for you, You have much to learn about life & human nature in general

As far as Jose Girah beating me HU in a live setting, , I doubt very seriously he would have a 2% chance if we played HU for a year to even out luck.

For basically the same reasons as the quote I listed above.

Let me repeat this again, because it applies to Online poker vs. Live poker



"The idea that you can follow a simple system of rules and beat the market is worthless. It is as if someone who had a Ph.D. in advanced mathematics were to go to the North shore of Hawaii, assuming that his or her knowledge of differential equations were all that were needed to win a surfing competition against all those ignorant surfers who had no theoretical knowledge of wave mechanics. "

"The idea that you can follow a simple system of rules and beat the market is worthless. It is as if someone who had a Ph.D. in advanced mathematics were to go to the North shore of Hawaii, assuming that his or her knowledge of differential equations were all that were needed to win a surfing competition against all those ignorant surfers who had no theoretical knowledge of wave mechanics. "



"The idea that you can follow a simple system of rules and beat the market is worthless. It is as if someone who had a Ph.D. in advanced mathematics were to go to the North shore of Hawaii, assuming that his or her knowledge of differential equations were all that were needed to win a surfing competition against all those ignorant surfers who had no theoretical knowledge of wave mechanics. "

I don't think any highly successful online poker players follow a simple system of rules.


And a person with a doctorate in math and no surfing experience trying to win a surfing contest against good surfers doesn't to me seem at all similar to a very good online poker player with a moderate to zero amount of live poker experience trying to win playing live poker.

No, not a simple system for sure & I'm not taking away from these players because many of them know a great deal about mathmatical poker theory, but it doesn't matter if you know mathmatical game theory for HU as well as you can learn it if your playing in a live setting & the person your playing knows a decent percentage of the time whether or not you actually connected to the flop or he knows when you 3 barrel on the end that you don't have it based on how you look. Then Math is of little matter.

I don't think that physical tells can usually be picked up and be used to indicate those things often enough and be significantly reliable enough to have too large of an impact .... unless maybe if you are playing against somebody who doesn't understand you are watching him or something.


Or if you play against a particular guy a whole lot then maybe eventually you could pick up on something that would be pretty reliable.

Well, you just described the misunderstanding in this forum. Most of the players here will at least admit that there is something to tells, but VASTLY underestimate them. Mainly because they do not know how to interpret what they see. I've been working on this for years & 3 or 4 years ago I was getting an edge with them as I was just starting to understand some things. Over the past couple of years I have gotten much better at understanding certain things I see. Even to the point to where I can say with confidence that a player like Isildur would probably have no shot to beat me if the cards ran average in a live setting. I'm not saying this to be arrogant & many here will just laugh about it, but its the truth.

Well I think you are overestimating them.

So I suppose that this is where we will diverge ... unless you want to discuss this more in detail and actually start discussing and analyzing exactly what you do. How you go about finding tells, what you look for, what you presume it means, how long you have to observe a tell and how many times see that it meant the same thing before you start treating it as very reliable, and whatever else you and/or other people do in this aspect of live poker.

But that is really up to you.

cool

tell us how your match with samo goes, then

Well it took me years of watching players to learn what I know now & I've been teaching claudia for quite some time & she's just now starting to pick up some things. It's easy to name a few things to look for , but another thing to be able to interpret them correctly in the right situation. It's not always black & white & sometimes I end up looking like a jackass if I make a huge call & they show me the stones when I've misinterpreted something, but I'm right much more than wrong. These days poker is mathmatically much tougher, I've been able to increase my edge as the games have gotten tougher with this.

As far as mentioning anything specific, i wouldn't because its too valuable. I would never write a book or teach in a forum as it is definately - EV for long term to your game

Well if you don't want to discuss tells in more detail then I'm not 100% sure what the point of starting this thread and telling everyone that live players are better because they can use tells was.


If you want to discuss it a little via PM (so that the information isn't all out there), maybe I would find it interesting. Of course it wouldn't be too helpful for me since I don't play live too much and to a lesser extent that my winrate at the live games I play is quite high anyway since the average player sucks. So I probably wouldn't want to spend too much time thinking about it unless I actually did find it quite interesting outside of using it to make money.


But I'm going to bed now, so if you actually do PM me I won't respond for a while.

MATHEMATICAL



the fkn site underlines words for you when theyre spelled incorrectly man.



also, if you play samo and somehow win, it's obvious based on what you're saying that you'd be down to play any other online player in the world in any live setting with your winnings. think about if you ran well with an 80% edge. you would be so rich so quickly. even if you ran poorly you'd be making BANK with an expected win in 4/5 matches. i have no idea why it's not more urgent for you to get this free money, especially when you will gain a semblance of credibility by doing so.

Gabe,

How frequently do you think those tells actually help you? Sometimes you have a rock solid tell on someone but can't do anything about it. Let's say you have a pretty rock solid tell that someone is bluffing when they shove all-in. However, you have air yourself. Maybe you were bluffing but your opponent was either playing crazy or had a read on you. Now what? What's this tell worth?

I mean you can't call if you can't beat a bluff, right?

Gabe,

when do you think this match may happen?

I guess you had to win your next nine or previous nine sessions after lighting those 3+ buyins on fire playing with me to keep up your average, huh?

When I get the time, I may compile a list of demonstrably incorrect statements by you in this thread. As of now, I put the over/under at 25. Although there is one statement in the paragraph quoted above I believe 100%. Here's a hint:It's the sentence before the bolded part.

Just setup the match ffs, u r so FOS it hurts.

And congrats on a terrible analogy u r a complete moron and deluded.

Just arrange date time with samo lose and then give us all a good laugh with your explanation.

More likely just duck it and continue to attention whore ITT.

lol, wp

Hi Gabe,

I am very interested to hear more of your thoughts about how the online sites rig the outcomes for certain accounts to be successful and for others to lose.

So are you saying that a player like Phil Galfond somehow got lucky and "drew" a lucky account at Full Tilt and at Party Poker and at PokerStars?

Or do you think all the sites collude, and have regular meetings to identify specific individuals that they will reward with lucky accounts so as to help promote "star" players?

Then, on the flip side, do you think they also identify incredibly skilled players - such as yourself - and then collude to make sure you get unlucky accounts at all sites. Doing so to ensure that you do not bust out all the fish in the games and help keep feeding the rake?

Then for the rest of the accounts, do you think they just let the rest of the mediocre players fight it out over micro and small stakes games? Or are they rigging those games also?

the gift that keeps on giving

can we keep this thread about the match?

or start a new thread either about the match or about whatever topics the derails are about? or both/all? obviously in the appropriate forums.........

i really want to see this match happen, and the fact that it seems like a total level at this point added to gabe stalling gets the thread way off that topic (the match) real quick all the time.