i think a lot of bias in your argument hu4holes comes from lumping online players into one huge category. i'm sure a lot of these so called average online players that you are playing against are just frequent $100 depositors who 1-2 table and since a majority of playing poker is at the convenience of their own home, they consider themselves online players.

so yes, if u want to take the majority, the average online player is a losing player. the average live player is also a losing player. but the average online player has a lot more resources at their disposal to learn from. 2p2, coaching websites, videos. hence why they seem to play a more aggressive style of poker. where as your average live player learns from only the times they sit down at the tables or from books.

i find it pretty rare in the small sample that i've played live that i'll encounter an online grinder that legitimately grinds 100nl-400nl online cash games.

no but you might have turned it down because you are a delusional mouth breather.

I agree with both of these posts

So tell me one Top Live Player who is crushing and who never played online? And yes Phil Ivey plays an online style, noone cares if he did play some live games before the internet.

must've been pretty big tables.

Adeeb Harb

Agree. Thats why this entire thread is so stupid. Its apples and oranges.

While a portion of this true. The same skills still apply in Live play as online + the extra variables of live play. Thus more skill variables involved. Pretty simple really.


The math will be different in Live play as the games will be generally be more lose & passive, partly because of casino recreational players & also live players that are flatting more so instead of online reraise/fold play due to the fact that they try to read more postflop. So an online player will have to adjust his ranges for multiway action etc. Many have trouble adjusting & continue to open S Conn etc up front only to get called in 4 spots behind & have to play bad hand out of position rather than being in a HU spot as online

Hey Gabe,

I just have one quick question: Is Claudia aware of this thread and has she read it?

Wow. I completely agree with this post. What have you done with Gabe?

This is something I see all the time, since I've been playing a lot more live than online since BF.

I really feel I'm playing two different games in many ways and have started to enjoy live play more than online.

I like post flop play and feel it's one of my strengths and find myself flatting much more often than I will online.

it's not that bad


any update WHATSOEVER on a venue for the match with samoleus?

She's aware of it & read some, she's pretty amazed at how ignorant some of the players are of some of the factors involved in live & also how argumentative they are.

any update WHATSOEVER on a venue for the match with samoleus?

Nobody ITT is ignorant to the fact live players can develop/use tells and must pay attention to table demeanor. YOU are ignorant to the fact tells are highly overrated. YOU are ignorant to the fact that online players are highly skilled poker players. YOU are ignorant enough to talk about a small sample of MTTs from 2008 as if they were gospel.

Thanks for proving my point, You were a very good example of what she was talking about

Yep I'm really worried what your GF thinks about "us" as if we're all the same. Hopefully you can arrange something to make a fair match, but I assume you will too paranoid to put your money on the line. It will be so convenient for you to back out citing paranoia as the reason.

No, I'm thinking we may just get a suite or something at one of the casinos. I will have to take some time to go look at the rooms to see if it will be suitable.

I need to read nvg more often.

For those of you that still believe everything is on the up & up with these online sites, We have yet another theft story with Jose Girah, This kid had everything going for him & still chose to cheat. Just another pitfall of playing online. If a poker pro sponsor that had millions of kids looking up to him would risk all of this to cheat, can you imagine what unknown people would do that work for or own the sites if they had a chance to cheat with all of the millions on the line. They don't need skype to do it, Just have a programmer on the inside. I can only imagine how many players, site operators & owners have cheated over the years that we don't know about.

Ive decided from here on out I will keep numerous records & recordings of any online play I have. I wished that I had kept all of my hand histories in the past as I had proof of cheating.

Players cheat online, players also cheat live, this is not news. You still have not provided any evidence that sites have rigged the rng for certain accounts.

you might just be nuts enough to believe that the Jose Girah is some kind of proof that the online sites had a rigged RNG against your accounts.

If you ask Full Tilt and PokerStars to send you your hand histories they will, although I'm not sure how many years they can go back.

But .... you weren't keeping records prior to now? That seems kinda dumb. Did you pay income taxes on your online winnings?

Did you keep records of your live play?




EDIT:

Also, I'm not sure how much the "one famous well off guy cheated by tricking other players into letting him see their screen and therefore a lot of not famous less well off guys are probably cheating perhaps by getting a programmer to change the code in the RNG" argument is really worth.

I've had around 60 accounts over the years & most of my online play was between 2003 -2006, however Ive played plenty afterward but most was sporatic & at different sites so would be tough to put much in the way of proof together. There were no online winnings, I've probably lost 200 deposits without cashing out anything. Live i win close to 90% of my sessions over 10 years.