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08-03-2011 , 11:28 PM
I literally might lay you some long figure to try & beat an account I have now when you get here. I played just a couple of days ago & the account I play under still runs that way.
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08-03-2011 , 11:32 PM
These accounts are coded , It's software & you're naive enough to think these crooks were using algorythms that were fair & honest than I'm just sorry for you. It's a joke. Players like Samoleus even though a good player because I;ve read some of his thought process on some hands in the forums, were lucky enough to be CHOSEN as one of the players that could win. Yes this happens so that the illusion is kept going. They also let young 18 years old kids from foreign countrys run good as to hook them to gambling, You're dealing with gambling corporations that profile & use psychology to develop algorythms that will enhance their revenue base. I actually laugh when I here someone say they think it's all fair.
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08-03-2011 , 11:36 PM
Ill just post you the last 2 hands I played at betonline yesterday. 5 handed $1.50 $3. I pick up 10 10 against AA. Rebuy Ak off, raise $24 in a 7 handed game with 5 limpers, 2 callers. 3 spades, I have AK with K of spades, check behind. Of course here comes the Ace of heart. They both check I move in & of course am called with Q8 of spades & brick the river.
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08-03-2011 , 11:36 PM
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Originally Posted by EDDtown
I literally might lay you some long figure to try & beat an account I have now when you get here. I played just a couple of days ago & the account I play under still runs that way.
Please make this happen.

Don't want to speak for Samo but I'd lay both my nuts that he'd take you up on the offer instantly.
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08-03-2011 , 11:37 PM
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Originally Posted by EDDtown
These accounts are coded , It's software & you're naive enough to think these crooks were using algorythms that were fair & honest than I'm just sorry for you. It's a joke. Players like Samoleus even though a good player because I;ve read some of his thought process on some hands in the forums, were lucky enough to be CHOSEN as one of the players that could win. Yes this happens so that the illusion is kept going. They also let young 18 years old kids from foreign countrys run good as to hook them to gambling, You're dealing with gambling corporations that profile & use psychology to develop algorythms that will enhance their revenue base. I actually laugh when I here someone say they think it's all fair.
Come on....really?

Gabe, if you truly believed what you say about the rigged account you have now, it'd mean you could make an insane amount of money by prop betting HS players into trying to beat your rigged account over a sample you feel would be enough to make anyone lose.

Why don't you start a thread in HSNL daring Sauce, Jungle & cie to beat that account? If the account is as rigged as you think, your EV is 100% and you take absolutely no risk for your family, you're guaranteed to win every single time.

Actually, considering the millions you stand to make (because I guarantee that these guys will bet literally millions against you), it would be completely irresponsible for your family's quality of life not to make such an offer, since you're guaranteed to become a multi-millionaire.

Last edited by 2DMB2LIV; 08-03-2011 at 11:43 PM.
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08-03-2011 , 11:39 PM
Id also guess he would take it as well because he doesn't know any better. He thinks online poker is real. I could win on his account but not in mine. I've had over 60 accounts & I've played many others, It's night & day, black & white, rigged & not rigged. I know how they do it.
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08-03-2011 , 11:43 PM
Anyway, done here tonight, I've been in this argument for many years & realize how many naive people there are out there. The sites were cheating me & that's why I turned down $65000 from them & wouldn't have taken 50,000,000 of their money if they offered it to me.

I imagine not many here would turn down the money if they saw the source code.
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08-03-2011 , 11:44 PM
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Originally Posted by EDDtown
Samoleus, I even read you saying how bad the players were back then , You claim to win 5 or 6 buy ins a day because the players were so bad. So you think someone as accomplished as me that has been playing poker solely for a living for 10 years (longer than you I might add) could not only beat those players, but was losing 5 or 6 buy ins a day to players that were limping 3 gap off suit connectors UTG & calling bets with 8 high only to back door 2 pair
EDDtown, I'm not going to get sucked into this ridiculous discussion about online poker being rigged, but I'll answer this post from you. First of all, I have nothing to go by other than your own word that you are an accomplished poker player. You are spouting off a lot of statistics about your poker accomplishments that are exceptionally hard to believe. Moreoever, many of your comments seem to indicate that you don't understand concepts of variance and other basic poker principles. I won't elaborate, because I know that you have been roundly ridiculed on this thread and I don't want to make an enemy of you and add fuel to the fire. But please remember that just because you say that you are one of the greatest players around doesn't mean that others (myself included) are going to believe that at face value.

Even in this latest post, you claim to have been playing poker solely for a living for ten years, but a couple of days ago you told me that you could not play me for more than 40K because most of your money is tied up in your job as a day trader. Your comments have been full of these inconsistencies and absurdities throughout this thread. I do not know if you are actually being duplicitous - trying to make yourself sound dumb in order to get better odds for a match or for some other reason that I can't decipher - or if you really believe some of the stuff that you are saying.

At the end of the day, suggesting that online poker is rigged is comical. Suggesting that it is rigged specifically against you is so absurd that it is not even worth qualifying or arguing. First of all, what would the sites stand to gain by doing this? Second of all, why would the sites risk being shut down by the Gaming Commission just to try and get to YOUR account? Third, do you have any comprehension of how complex (read: impossible) it would be to construct software such that certain players get hands that are coolered and bad beated? To give other players 7-4 offsuit against your KK, knowing that (a) they are going to open shove for 150BB and then (b) get there? I worked at MIT Lincoln Labs for a number of years, and I can assure you that the entire software team there could never construct code that would be able to do that.

Your claims are so outlandish: my only concern is that they are causing such a backlash with others on the site that our (already agreed upon) match seems to be moving to the back burner.

I'd like to urge the rest of the posters in this thread to stop this ridiculous argument about online poker being rigged. Everyone knows that it is not (including EDDtown). Can we please go back to finalizing the match?

As an aside, I will be out of town from tomorrow morning until Monday and will not be on this site while I am away.
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08-03-2011 , 11:46 PM
Niman, I will try to come up with something regarding the match in the next couple of days, not sure when you wanted to come down, we have tournament series here starting Aug 25th. Not sure if you wanted to wait that long. Anyway, Would you agree to play Claudia as well for +130. It would have to be smaller amount , but we can talk about it later.
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08-03-2011 , 11:49 PM
"I'd like to urge the rest of the posters in this thread to stop this ridiculous argument about online poker being rigged. Everyone knows that it is not (including EDDtown"


So you think I turned down $65000 just for the hell of it. That's the most comical thing of all.
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08-03-2011 , 11:53 PM
Daytrading is a hobby of mine Niman, I used to own a financial advisory practice . I have a series 6, 63, 7, & 24 run a branch office of my own about 11 years ago in which I shut down to play poker because I was winning more in the 1 2 NL game up the street.


I would assume that most here would agree 1.2 million in a couple of years of tournament play is a pretty good accomplishment & I've done anything but show that I dont variance is. If your regarding our match & my 80% win rate , its because live poker is different, Online is math & brings more variance. That's why to this day I have highest final table per tournament ratio in the country for anyone that's played over 100 tournies, because I know how to reduce my variance in these.
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08-03-2011 , 11:53 PM
Some people are just unlucky.
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08-04-2011 , 12:00 AM
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Originally Posted by EDDtown
"I'd like to urge the rest of the posters in this thread to stop this ridiculous argument about online poker being rigged. Everyone knows that it is not (including EDDtown"


So you think I turned down $65000 just for the hell of it. That's the most comical thing of all.
i think you saying that is the most comical thing of all
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08-04-2011 , 12:07 AM
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Originally Posted by EDDtown
Daytrading is a hobby of mine Niman, I used to own a financial advisory practice . I have a series 6, 63, 7, & 24 run a branch office of my own about 11 years ago in which I shut down to play poker because I was winning more in the 1 2 NL game up the street.


I would assume that most here would agree 1.2 million in a couple of years of tournament play is a pretty good accomplishment & I've done anything but show that I dont variance is. If your regarding our match & my 80% win rate , its because live poker is different, Online is math & brings more variance. That's why to this day I have highest final table per tournament ratio in the country for anyone that's played over 100 tournies, because I know how to reduce my variance in these.
ok. you clearly made that up.

ohhhhh, the industry standard "100 tourney mark," gotcha, I'm sure that means heaps.

...and very unlucky on that AxKs vs Q8ss hand
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08-04-2011 , 12:11 AM
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Originally Posted by EDDtown
"I'd like to urge the rest of the posters in this thread to stop this ridiculous argument about online poker being rigged. Everyone knows that it is not (including EDDtown"


So you think I turned down $65000 just for the hell of it. That's the most comical thing of all.

the most comical thing of all is how many times you've mentioned this.



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Originally Posted by samoleus
Come on guys - are you all really arguing with OP about whether online poker is rigged?! Would you be posting to argue with him if he claimed that the sky is purple? Clearly the guy is having some fun at everyone's expense by pretending to be an almost incomprehensible moron who thinks that not only online poker is rigged, but rigged specifically against HIS account. Either that, or he is a completely certifiable tin hat-wearing lunatic. Either way, it really makes no sense to argue with him, does it? ... Can we try to keep the thread about the match so that there is every chance that it actually happens?
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I'd like to urge the rest of the posters in this thread to stop this ridiculous argument about online poker being rigged. Everyone knows that it is not (including EDDtown). Can we please go back to finalizing the match?
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c'mon guys
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08-04-2011 , 12:15 AM
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Originally Posted by EDDtown
Daytrading is a hobby of mine Niman, I used to own a financial advisory practice . I have a series 6, 63, 7, & 24 run a branch office of my own about 11 years ago in which I shut down to play poker because I was winning more in the 1 2 NL game up the street.


I would assume that most here would agree 1.2 million in a couple of years of tournament play is a pretty good accomplishment & I've done anything but show that I dont variance is. If your regarding our match & my 80% win rate , its because live poker is different, Online is math & brings more variance. That's why to this day I have highest final table per tournament ratio in the country for anyone that's played over 100 tournies, because I know how to reduce my variance in these.
whos #2 on this list? id like to see the top 10 as well, sounds like a cool stat. do u have the #s?
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08-04-2011 , 12:16 AM
You've put in millions of hands online 4 tabling? I kinda doubt it. I'd be surprised if you've played over 500k hands.
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08-04-2011 , 12:22 AM
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Originally Posted by EDDtown
I've played millions of hands online, so I've seen plenty. I was just throwing out an example of one study, However I just had this discussion with Joseph Cheong the other day, A statistcal T-test can show a 99.9% probability something isn't random on a small sample size if the margin of deviation is far enough from the mean.
lol gabe why do you have to bring me down with you?

i believe our "discussion" was me telling you you were way wrong on that topic
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08-04-2011 , 12:27 AM
EDDTown, poker isn't doing you any favours. Do something without the head**** of variance for a nice long time. You need at least a long break.

/derrail the derail
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08-04-2011 , 12:34 AM
looooool

level?
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08-04-2011 , 12:34 AM
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Originally Posted by subiime
lol gabe why do you have to bring me down with you?

i believe our "discussion" was me telling you you were way wrong on that topic
I think the key word here is "selective". Delusional/paranoid people tend to have that trait to the extreme.

Selective memory, selective HH's (lol), selective parts of an argument to prove his point...

Gabe, you'd make a great journalist, lawyer or politician. Quit poker imo.
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08-04-2011 , 12:35 AM
lol Gabe u suck at the poker and u just cant admit it
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08-04-2011 , 12:42 AM
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Originally Posted by subiime
lol gabe why do you have to bring me down with you?

i believe our "discussion" was me telling you you were way wrong on that topic


So Joseph , do I really have to work through an example here on forums to PROVE your the one wrong or do you just want to figure it out yourself since your a math major. I want you to figure up what the chances of a set of dice landing on 12 in 500 of 1000 rolls. I believe most here would say 1000 is a small sample size. So would you contend that a statistical test would prove there's a less or greater chance than 99.9% random
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08-04-2011 , 12:47 AM
ugh...in b4 Gabe gets ridiculed by someone with twice his IQ.
And your writing abilities are embarrassing, quite honestly. We're passed simple mistakes, your sentences don't even make any sense.

"So would you contend that a statistical test would prove there's a less or greater chance than 99.9% random"


Wtf does this mean?
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08-04-2011 , 12:48 AM
i dont think gabe understands that selling weed out of his truck is not the same thing as a "financial firm"; at least thats the only explanation for making more at 1-2 than your multi-pronged business
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