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08-03-2011 , 10:01 PM
lol
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08-03-2011 , 10:02 PM
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Originally Posted by CompleteDegen
Ah, selective hand histories, great for a meaningful statistical analysis. Do you know anything about math?

If there was a way to retrieve ever hand that I've played online, I would, I could put this theory to rest without a shadow of a doubt. The math is not even close on my account.
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08-03-2011 , 10:05 PM
lolol
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08-03-2011 , 10:05 PM
Over the years theres probably a couple of dozen times I've had someone open shove 150BB or better in a cash game with no money in the post when I've woke up with KK or AA & called, I've never won one of them. Always something like 47off etc. Trips , straight , 2 pair everytime.
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08-03-2011 , 10:06 PM
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Originally Posted by EDDtown
If there was a way to retrieve ever hand that I've played online, I would, I could put this theory to rest without a shadow of a doubt. The math is not even close on my account.
What don't you understand? There are already 10's of millions of random, unbiased hands that have been analyzed. Any deviation from randomness, any rigged or set up hypothesis can be tested. No analysis has shown anything of the sort. Quit littering this forum with selective memory and skewed anecdotes. You have zero evidence no matter how much hearsay you spew here.
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08-03-2011 , 10:09 PM
What part do you not understand? why would I want to analyze a bunch of others players hands when I said that I was being cheated. I think I would analyze my hands. Especially when the establishment is spending multimillions to keep this quite.
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08-03-2011 , 10:10 PM
EDDTown, serious question.

What I really want to know is whom you offered your 10 to 1 proposition to win money on your account, what were the details of your offer, how much did you offer, etc...

Back in the day did you offer Boosted, Jman, Durrrr, Strassa, Prahlad, Townsend, Caby, etc...Did they all refuse?
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08-03-2011 , 10:11 PM
I also noticed that you never made a post to this thread until something was brought up about online poker, so I think we know where your allegiance is. This isn't my 1st rodeo here.
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08-03-2011 , 10:13 PM
Ah, you're just trolling now, I see. You were the targeted one. No one wants to analyze your biased hand histories you've selectively sorted for your bad beats.
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08-03-2011 , 10:14 PM
EDDtown,

how does the site benefit from cheating just YOU? And why were the hands that were analyzed from many other players not found to show any form of online poker being rigged?

why is it just you?
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08-03-2011 , 10:14 PM
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Originally Posted by EDDtown
I also noticed that you never made a post to this thread until something was brought up about online poker, so I think we know where your allegiance is. This isn't my 1st rodeo here.
Not true, I made a post earlier in this thread about a hilarious double negative you wrote, inadvertently admitting you would indeed try and cheat someone.
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08-03-2011 , 10:15 PM
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Originally Posted by 2DMB2LIV
EDDTown, serious question.

What I really want to know is whom you offered your 10 to 1 proposition to win money on your account, what were the details of your offer, how much did you offer, etc...

Back in the day did you offer Boosted, Jman, Durrrr, Strassa, Prahlad, Townsend, Caby, etc...Did they all refuse?

None of those players existed when I was playing, or at least wasn't well known yet, But what you are talking about is really a joke. It wouldn't have mattered who played. It was pretty obvious the account was rigged. When you literally can't win a showdown & everytime you pick up a huge hand it was a setup. The only hands I could win were if took any random UNPLAYABLE HAND & tried to win a pot because those weren't the ones that were being set up. In my pokertracker, My biggest losing hands were KK -99, AK, AQs etc. AA was a very small winner
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08-03-2011 , 10:16 PM
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Originally Posted by EDDtown
I contacted Nat Arem one time & had put together some hand histories, was going to have him or some others run through them, However a few days later my computer crashed & I lost all of them, I still have some sent to an old email , I can probably put together some.

Is there anyway to retrieve old histories , I could prove it without a shadow of a doubt, the math is so far off no one would ever believe it.
Gabe, I don't know how you could retrieve old HH's if they're not on your hard drive. I mean short of some forensic software, if you still have that hard drive available.
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08-03-2011 , 10:17 PM
and seriously.. if you want any credibility in your arguments, atleast post some proof of the stuff you spew. post a graph. post screenshots of your pokertracker.

you sound like some 25nl grinder who just dropped 12 buyins and is experiencing variance for the first time.
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08-03-2011 , 10:22 PM
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Originally Posted by iCrush Souls
and seriously.. if you want any credibility in your arguments, atleast post some proof of the stuff you spew. post a graph. post screenshots of your pokertracker.

you sound like some 25nl grinder who just dropped 12 buyins and is experiencing variance for the first time.

This is an old forum post from another player, Anyway was my screen name, so just to show proof I did play


i don't really believe or deny xxxx's views but on a different note, xxxx is one the best players on Full Tilt along with bleu329 and others..i have observed him playing 10-20 or 25-50 NL and he kicks some ass..there was a battle between him and John Juanda at 25-50,heads up and he practically owned JJ that day..
this is 100% true.::: even JJ was going -- " I am no match for u, your damn good",but the funny part part even then xxxx was going--"now they'll put me on lose mode"" and general nonsense ,so just because he questions the validity of randomness of online poker doesnt mean he can't play.
good luck all.
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08-03-2011 , 10:27 PM
5/25/2005

fair enough
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08-03-2011 , 10:30 PM
"To clear up some confusion, I have probably played as many hands or more than anyone on this thread. I used to play 3 or 4 tables at the same time so Ive put in millions of hands online. I am a professional cash game player & i used to play with the pros a lot at full tilt & beat them regularly." - You

do you see how this is wrong?
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08-03-2011 , 10:36 PM
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Originally Posted by iCrush Souls
"To clear up some confusion, I have probably played as many hands or more than anyone on this thread. I used to play 3 or 4 tables at the same time so Ive put in millions of hands online. I am a professional cash game player & i used to play with the pros a lot at full tilt & beat them regularly." - You

do you see how this is wrong?

I said that I had played more live NL hands than probably anyone on the forum, I never said that I had played more online hands, but having said that I started when planet poker was the only site going & from there to paradise, party etc. So I have played millions of hands online, I've also played 6 days a week for 10 years live. I started before modern NL was spread in casinos, so tough for anyone to have played many more live
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08-03-2011 , 10:42 PM
that's not what im saying. i never said you played more online hands than anyone else.

let me point out something else someone said after you in 2005:

"Millions of hands.... hmmmmm..... Given a sustained rate of 200 H/hr 4 tabling, which is about my average, adn 6 hours a day (Some play more, but not every day), thats 4.5 years of contiguous online play. Highly doubtful. Especially on Sites that are only , at best, 2 years old. Yeah PP, PS and others have been ar ound a long time.... but I jsut can't see anybody averaging 6 hours a day, EVERY DAY, for almost 5 years. POst up 3-4 PT dbases with 200k each, and you got me."

do you realize how absurd it sounds to say you 4 tabled and played millions of hands?
and now it's 2011 and people still call you out for the things you say. because if you really did play a million hands+.. you would understand what variance was.

and why would the sites rig the game against you? you still haven't answered that one. seems like a legitimate question
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08-03-2011 , 10:53 PM
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Originally Posted by EDDtown
Ive laid up to 10 to 1 before that no one could win playing on my account, so far no one ever has or even come close.
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Originally Posted by EDDtown
why would I want to analyze a bunch of others players hands when I said that I was being cheated.
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Originally Posted by FGators
Oh really.

Funny that you base a poker player's skill of their pokertracker database.

I guarantee if I took your "coaching" you would do absolutely ZERO to affect my winrate.

ZERO.

you would just say "yup, standard" "yup, standard" "variance", "yup, standard" "variance" run better" "variance" "yup, standard", "variance" "cooler/variance" "sick read" "variance" "very standard" "standard" "sick read" "variance" "very standard "yup, standard"

"Man FGators you [censored] run bad, I think you should take PokerStars down because your account is clearly [censored] up and rigged"
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Originally Posted by EDDtown
I've played millions of hands online
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08-03-2011 , 11:07 PM
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Originally Posted by iCrush Souls
that's not what im saying. i never said you played more online hands than anyone else.

let me point out something else someone said after you in 2005:

"Millions of hands.... hmmmmm..... Given a sustained rate of 200 H/hr 4 tabling, which is about my average, adn 6 hours a day (Some play more, but not every day), thats 4.5 years of contiguous online play. Highly doubtful. Especially on Sites that are only , at best, 2 years old. Yeah PP, PS and others have been ar ound a long time.... but I jsut can't see anybody averaging 6 hours a day, EVERY DAY, for almost 5 years. POst up 3-4 PT dbases with 200k each, and you got me."

do you realize how absurd it sounds to say you 4 tabled and played millions of hands?
and now it's 2011 and people still call you out for the things you say. because if you really did play a million hands+.. you would understand what variance was.

and why would the sites rig the game against you? you still haven't answered that one. seems like a legitimate question

Listen, It's really annoying when someone keeps trying to dissect everything I say to find something they believe to be false.

I've played over a million hands since 05 when this was posted as well, You probably don't believe that either.

I also mentioned that I was #1 & #2 in full tilt frequent points for a few months there, so you can imagine how many hands I played during that period. I was playing 12-16 hours some of those days.
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08-03-2011 , 11:09 PM
and if you played millions of hands and were an overall loser with 99-KK/AK you would be millions in the hole and would surely have the screenshots to prove this.
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08-03-2011 , 11:18 PM
Come on guys - are you all really arguing with OP about whether online poker is rigged?! Would you be posting to argue with him if he claimed that the sky is purple? Clearly the guy is having some fun at everyone's expense by pretending to be an almost incomprehensible moron who thinks that not only online poker is rigged, but rigged specifically against HIS account. Either that, or he is a completely certifiable tin hat-wearing lunatic. Either way, it really makes no sense to argue with him, does it? ... Can we try to keep the thread about the match so that there is every chance that it actually happens?
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08-03-2011 , 11:22 PM
This thread just continues to deliver.

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08-03-2011 , 11:27 PM
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Originally Posted by samoleus
Come on guys - are you all really arguing with OP about whether online poker is rigged?! Would you be posting to argue with him if he claimed that the sky is purple? Clearly the guy is having some fun at everyone's expense by pretending to be an almost incomprehensible moron who thinks that not only online poker is rigged, but rigged specifically against HIS account. Either that, or he is a completely certifiable tin hat-wearing lunatic. Either way, it really makes no sense to argue with him, does it? ... Can we try to keep the thread about the match so that there is every chance that it actually happens?

Samoleus, I even read you saying how bad the players were back then , You claim to win 5 or 6 buy ins a day because the players were so bad. So you think someone as accomplished as me that has been playing poker solely for a living for 10 years (longer than you I might add) could not only beat those players, but was losing 5 or 6 buy ins a day to players that were limping 3 gap off suit connectors UTG & calling bets with 8 high only to back door 2 pair
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