If you have the $$$ escrowed, (which I can't imagine why you wouldn't), there is little to no need for on-site security of the type a casino provides in-room.

I actually agree with all of this .... except for the bolded. I just don't know that, that is true. And I doubt it is.

This obviously makes sense .... to escrow the money with actual legal representatives involved.

Then just play with chips. The inherent value of the actual chips is 0. Security done.

F equity chops, makes too much work (you guys really want to worry about who gets the extra .6 of a chip, etc?). Just agree to run all in pots over a certain set amount 2 or 3 times automatically, then luck is still somewhat of a factor, (as it should be).

My recommendation: Under 200BB's= 1 time
200-400 BB's= 2 times
Over 400 BB's = 3 times

Should you use these guidelines, I will expect my traditional consulting fee, ( a set of goofy margarita glasses). Samo already owes me this as a finder's fee should the match go off.

none of the top nosebleed players 24 table online...or even 16 table. the player pool for the top skill levels is so low that there aren't that many games running. its actually a pretty stupid suggestion to imagine a scenario where a great live player that wasnt already a multitasking genius and prior online beast would ever agree to play over 8 tables or whatever else they felt comfortable with.

so if you are trying to say a great online player who's skill set includes poker related reasoning and quick decision making versus someone who lives in a world in which all decisions are timed...its comparing apples and oranges.

think about at the extreme edge of ridiculousness to illustrate my point it its actually like saying a smart 15yr. old has a chance to beat bobby fischer in his 60's in a 10 second (total match time) online chess game because the actual task of rapid reaction based clicking & multitasking favors the youth so heavily. but yet bobby fischer in 60's would never agree to play a 15year old in a 10 second match for major money (like poker) so making statements about the 15yr. old being theoretically as good as fischer is ridiculous

lol, actually played 2/5 plo with this Claudia at Aria. Seemed like a nice person. But I had to lol when I raised the btn with like 3457, sb called, she squeezed fron the BB (like 1k deep). When we got to showndown she had J952ss, and told me she wasnt gonna let me open the button everytime unpunished, yeah ok.

How are equity chops too much work? Just have a laptop open on the table with PokerStove and agree in advance on how to round decimals, period.

Typically, .5 included and above is rounded up and under .5 is rounded down.

Shouldn't take more than a few seconds. Any time you're AI, plug in the hands, round decimals, distribute chips according to resulting equity, end of story.

That's obviously way faster than dealing boards 3 times and is a perfect equalizer as well.

No. Equity chop simply reduces variance (as does running it x times). The more times you run a trial the closer you get to actually equity. In effect running it more times just gets you to the "long run" quicker.

If you crash KK into AA you "should" end up with 20% equity.
If you play it only once obviously you can only end up with 0% equity or 100% equity.
In your lifetime (1000s of hands with same equity) you will approach but unlikely never reach 20% equity. More trials simply get you there quicker.

Thus running it twice reduces variance compared to running it once, and running it 3 times reduces it even more. Poker Stove calculates equity by running it millions of times allowing you to reach the same equity you would have if you played enough poker to play this exact same hand the same way millions of times.

More trials is always better when attempting to estimate an expectation based on the outcome.
For this match up the hypothesis is that one player is better than the other. The outcome is cash won or lost. The more trials you have the higher likelihood outcome matches expectation. In essence it makes the match up a more accurate test of the better player.

I agree that equity chop is trivially easy to compute but if the players involved would rather just run it multiple times that provides a "good enough" approximation of equity. Either way it reduces variance compared to a single trial.

If you use Monte Carlo method in PokerStove you are in effect running it multiple times anyways it just happens to be 50 million times not 2 or 3. There is a level of decreasing gains (in terms of accuracy) as you increase trials. You get the most benefit from going from 1 to 2 trials and very little going from 50 million to 51 million.

I think that EDDtown and I have agreed to do an equity chop when we are all-in, so there really is no need to discuss it further. EDDtown, we'll only have to make a little stipulation that there be no equity chop when one of us is down to say 50BB or less? Otherwise, technically the match will never end. Is that OK with you?

So if I am not mistaken, we are in agreement as to the terms of the match:

- HU match until one person has won 40K

- 15-30 blinds

- 250BB required buyin. When short stack is under 150BB, he must rebuy to 250BB. When both players are over 500BB, they remove money such that they both have 250BB.

- no sunglasses or hoodies

- when both players are all-in, the money will be returned in an equity chop; the exception to this is when one player has less than 50BB left.

EDDtown, am I correct that you agree to these terms and that there is nothing left to discuss in terms of the logistics of the match? If so, I am just waiting for you to suggest a venue, dealers, etc.

How long is such a match expected to last? If it's more than one session you have to consider length of sessions and such. Maybe 3 hour sessions 3 times a day with 1 hour breaks until it's over? I have no idea if this makes sense or not but it's something to think about.

Anyhow, Props to OP for accepting the challenge and GL to you both. Also curious as to how you guys feel about webcams so we can watch as some have suggested, would make this even more epic.

Curious to see what the betting line is going to open at.

there was no need to discuss it beforehand. let's sit back and watch EDD and samo hammer out the details!

prob samo -120, obv no rake so +120 gabe. 1.1-1.2 is what i've seen most of the lines start at in these sort of grudge matches on 2p2 (although grudge match is a figure of speech, and obviously neither player holds a grudge against the other here).

FWIW, Durrrr can and did, but obv not enough games run at his level of play much anymore. I have seen him 9-tabling 10-20 through 100-200 laying on a bed with his laptop just using the integrated touchpad while a party was going on around him.

So yeah, durrr can(and has) massively multitable AND crush PA headsup live. Obv few can do that, but the point isn't that EVERY massive multitabler can. We aren't saying someone who has learned to play lots of tables is obv better, we are saying he has a greater opportunity to fine tune his game through proper analysis of HH's, etc. You're the only one going so far as to posit a 15 y/o MMT'er playing the best in the world, and it's nowhere near an apt comparison.

In before Gabe "All Talk" Costner refutes the accuracy of equity chops in PokerStove.

"No way I'm only 13% here, that's gotta be wrong. I've played 783889272 hands online and more hands than anyone else ever live, I know better than some computer."

I am also of the opinion equity chops will affect the match adversely, making certain strategy decisions more attractive because you know you will always get at least some of your chips back, but then again I fully expect Samo to use the information better, so knock yourselves out.

You posted the first link earlier, very enjoyable. If you could provide links to any of the other ones it would be appreciated.

This.

The thread menntions a Boosted against Jman HU match. That should be an amazing read, anyone have a link?

I'm happy to allow webcams if EDDtown is OK with that (no hole card cameras though of course) if someone wants to set that up. About the side action, I'll take up to 125K of additional action on myself at -120 if anyone wants to bet on OP.

I'm just waiting on EDDtown now to post or write me individually regarding venue, dealers, and any other parametrics.

[x] Money -----> Mouth

Given what Gabe thinks about his own game, he'd be stupid to not take a chunk of himself at +120.

completely agree, he has said explicitly that he considers himself a favorite against any primarily online player in a live setting. he should be chomping at the bit to put as much as he can on himself at +120

The main reason for him taking additional action on himself is that he'd be getting odds LDO.

Well if EDDTown isn't down to put sidebet money I'm sure Limon or some other live player who talks **** all the time about online players will be happy to put up some of his money.

Right, Limon? Limon buddy, where are you?

And you wonder why no one pays you any attention, deuche