[x] super excited
[ ] will actually happen

Full Tilt: RC Peacemaker
Tracking sites weren't up for my play on party, Where I was Daliman, I_DO_SUK, and DarkStargasm.
Rarely played Stars, where I was SexyFlanders

I'm sure he'll wuss out, but still,

could turn this thread from 2 star to 5 star, though, if EDD responds. weaseling out of a challenge that he has now explicitly issued will be hilarious given what has led up to it.

Ah, okay.

I remember reading some old threads about people challenging you to matches and your screen name was mentioned on there, so I was not sure who you were.

Are you just playing live games now?

Yeah, moved to LV in October. Sucked at first, ran bad, affected my play. Doing lots better now, when I get to play,(wife travels for work 65%, 3 kids, 7, 5 and 3.)

In before "Samo, when I said I would play you in 40k worth of freezeouts, it was just a matter of speech meaning that I think I have an edge in freezeouts, but not that I actually want to play you. If you'd like to play 40,000 $1 HU SNGs in Antarctica on the third Tuesday of each Leap Year month, then I will play. If not then you subsequently admit that you are a worse player than me and that all live players are better than online in perpetuity throughout the universe"

lol

great to start the day off w a laugh. gabe if you can't see that you are the one spewing conflicting/delusional comments just for arguments sake...i mean just go back and read a couple of your own comments. for example, you seem to know what variance is (judging by your denial to play hu) but you don't seem to realize there is also variance in your 2008 ZOMG MOST POY FTS award (judging by your multiple claims to be one of the best mtt players even thought you only started playing in 2008).

also pretty sure i am one of the greatest 10k players of all time. not only did i start playing 10ks last year - look at my roi

subiime itt!

Wow, seriously? Yeah, sick ROI, man.

Also congrats on your run last year, was rooting for you after that ridiculous hand vs Candio, given how well and professionally you handled it.

If only you had spiked the A three handed.

ED,

I will issue a similar challenge to the one Samoleus issued, but I will lay 41k to win 40k on the freezeout. Please let me know.

Good on you FF

just read this whole thread, and...wow...I hope more people like OP exist
there is no god

My belief is Santa Claus us actually higher than my belief that any of these challenges will happen.......unfortunately

Subiime, Hey Joseph.

Sounds like your the one who needs to go back & read the post, especially before you make comments like that.


If you had read all of them you would have seen that I'm not actually a tournament player. Im a cash player that's played a few tournaments & just so happen to have done really well them. I've also played enough of them & finished high enough in several large fields for It to be statistically relevant. If you want to do some type of T-test to prove that I'm 99% likely to be a top player based on how many I've played then we can do that since you want to talk variance. I would rather just use some common sense to guess that.


My results are probably even better than yours statistically since we can say that with a little difference in luck last year, I could have gotten the 3rd place finish rather than you since I lost 3 races with AK & 1010 against A9 to go out after having 13 million. I could have 4 million in earnings instead of 1. This is the variance you speak of right. I dont play 100 online tournaments a day, so remember to dis include that in your results. NOT THAT ANY OF THIS EVEN MATTERS, since I'm a cash player & the only reason tournaments were brought up is because the forum posters can only relate to results they can see. My biggest accomplishment isn't even the tourney numbers, but the fact that I've grinded cash for 10+ years exclusively to pay my bills.


I'm taking nothing away from you as a player, because I think you play extremely good & you will do well going forward I'm sure. However you should think before you start talking about something you have no idea about.

If you didn't think players like me could pick up tells, then you wouldn't wear your sunglasses & hoodie, so not sure where your coming from there. Good luck to you.

It's becoming more & more obvious that the responses I'm getting back from this forum are emotionally based from mostly online players rather than based on substance. This thread is a good lesson in human nature & psychology. I think the responses are pretty predictable since this is an online forum, so would only make sense online players will stick up for their on regardless of the fact they continue to be wrong.

[x] Confirmed that Gabe backed out of playing samoleus again

hey gabe, i'm also not taking anything away from you as a player. i think you played solid the short time we played together.

what i'm saying is that you don't seem to understand it is you who can only relate to results they can see. not the forum posters. their whole point seems to be that you are very results-oriented in a lot of your arguments.

also the fact that you think a statistical test on a small sample size like yours will prove you to be a good player makes me believe even more that you don't understand variance and are very very results-oriented. (of course you did say "top player" which seems a bit subjective)

lastly, i've never disagreed about live reads. as for your original question/statement - it's a moot point because as it has been pointed out before, a lot of the top live players ARE online players and vice versa.

edit: you also seem preoccupied with the fact that it's you vs the online forum's pack mentality. while pondering human nature and such, you might want to think about your own reactions in this thread. yes, some people posted stupid responses to you but you are grouping everyone that does not agree with you together. as you can see i only have 27 posts here mostly about stupid **** and have no reason to attack you for being against the grain.

Just when I thought you couldn't sound more delusional. I seriously think you have some sort of mental defect, and I don't mean that as an insult at all. I actually now feel sort of bad for calling you out like this, as it seems you just can't help yourself and don't know any better.

That said, LOL at you thinking 100-300 tournaments is statistically significant and trying to throw around terms like t-test as if it applies for such a small sample size. Just shows how little you know about what you say.

I wanted to address your 3rd point about my tone being arrogant or condescending.

It is not my intention to sound that way & I understand how some here will interpret my comments in that manner. The reason It may sound that way is because I'm continually under attack for my original comment & It's pretty tough to defend against a gang of emotional attackers without applying some truth & logic. If applying truth to how I play makes me sound arrogant, then I'm sorry. I will say that I am very confident in my game as should anyone be that plays for a living, If not you study enough to gain some confidence, because it goes a long way in how you play.

Eddtown, I think you will agree that I have not been one of the posters that have attacked you in any way, shape, or form. I am also not trying to "prove anything" as you suggest.

I simply think that your assessment is very wrong, and I think that the best online players are much better than the best live players - even in a live setting. As such, and because you posted the open challenge (that you later qualified as being metaphorical), I saw this as a +EV opportunity for myself to make money. I have little doubt that you are a fine player, and clearly your results seem to validate your claims about the quality of your play. However, it is my belief (perhaps incorrect but I am willing to put my money where my mouth is) that as a successful internet player, I would be a significant favorite - even in a live match.

In your last post directed at me, you stated that you would be willing to play me for 40K. I accept this challenge and am ready to make it happen. Will you now be willing to hammer out the logistics and parameters so that we can go forward with the match?

Joseph, I'm very well aware of where I get my edge. It has nothing to do with results as that can change with luck, but when I sit at table I'm usually aware of where my edge is against other players, I have a game plan for how Im going to accumulate chips just like you, However when we are talking trying to relate what weve done to someone over the internet to back up a claim we make, wouldn't you say that would be pretty hard to do without providing something concrete they can look at.


As far as the variance & T-test. Obviously sample size is hugely important. However when the result deviates from the average a large amount, We can conclude in many cases a 95-99% chance of proving hypothesis based on this. For example, since I saw you playing dice at the Beau you can relate to this. What if I said that dice has been landing on 12 too many times & I think that they could be loaded. We would say that the dice has 1/36 chance of appearing on 12. What if they next shooter rolled a 12 on 36 of the next 50 rolls. Would you say the sample size isn't great enough to tell biased dice. It would be obvious & a t - test is an exact formula we could plug in to determine what the probability of the dice being random are.

As usual, you're not doing it right. Comparing something that has 36 possible outcomes versus hundreds or thousands, each individually based on on many thousands of additional variables isn't even in the realm of correct. It's funny how you try to make it simple for us simple folk, and still butcher your example by making it ludicrously obvious, as well as massive overkill.

Quit dodging Samo, Gabe "All Talk" Costner.

yes, understandable but poker is something where you cannot draw conclusions from results. so by offering "concrete" evidence like results you are over-simplifying...at a forum that specializes in discussing poker. this ends up making your arguments look less than intelligent.

as for the t-test...i was a math major (and more importantly i'm asian) and i can tell you it does not prove that a player is good. yes it might say with some degree of certainty that a player final tables more often than dictated by random chance but in poker that still means nothing.

Samoleus - Yes I'm aware that you haven't attacked me. And I'm glad that you think my assessment is very wrong, It's one of the very reasons that I've been able to do so well because many others have thought the same.


The only thing that concerns me Is that I don't really know you & you've been pretty persistent in wanting to play me. Not sure why exactly, but I've already given away a lot of information to you in the fact that you will know partly how I play. I also do not know for sure that you aren't a live player as well, I just have to take your word. I do not play a lot of HU poker so you will most likely have some sort of math advantage there if your a HU specialist, but I'm confident enough in my raw ability to read someone in front of me, I think I come a pretty good favorite in this match