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07-28-2011 , 06:39 AM
Daliman, SGT RJ, Baudib, Ura****me


And by the way, no matter how many times you follow me around to a thread & make nonsense comments trying to discredit me. The intelligent people that come here to read these forums can decipher the difference in someone that speaks logically & someone that spews garbage delusional comments just for argument sake.

They also know you guys sound like a bunch of jealous little girls that's had your feelings hurt because someone else might be one up on you.
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07-28-2011 , 06:50 AM
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Originally Posted by EDDtown
Daliman, SGT RJ, Baudib, Ura****me


And by the way, no matter how many times you follow me around to a thread & make nonsense comments trying to discredit me. The intelligent people that come here to read these forums can decipher the difference in someone that speaks logically & someone that spews garbage delusional comments just for argument sake.

They also know you guys sound like a bunch of jealous little girls that's had your feelings hurt because someone else might be one up on you.
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07-28-2011 , 06:57 AM
To be honest, my feelings have not been hurt at all. Why would they be?

I mean, your insane ramblings about patents and YouTube videos of color-changing dye, infrared lasers and contact lenses were annoying. Your stuff here though is pure comedy gold.

Play Samoleus.
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07-28-2011 , 08:19 AM
EDDtown, let's just try to keep this simple. This is an exact quote from you, from earlier in the thread:

"Id play any online player in a live setting anytime "

I am an online player, and I am willing to play in any live setting that you choose. Therefore, you would be going back on your word - and essentially discrediting all of your claims if you refuse to play me.

The reason that everyone is ridiculing you in this thread is that your claims seem absurd and lack substance. However, you can remedy this and demonstrate some basic respect for your word by simply honoring your own challenge. If you are unwilling to play me, could you please explain the discrepancy in your word when you said "Id play any online player in a live setting anytime."?
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07-28-2011 , 09:31 AM
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Originally Posted by EDDtown
First off, SGT. Please quit following me around. Are the sites paying you to make 30 + useless post a day, if not then I'll be the 1st to let you know that you are contributing nothing here & bring the overall IQ of the forum down just by being present.
Personally, one of my favorite part of your rants is the fact that if you don't have an actual response, you resort to attacking the other person's IQ.

Solid and irrefutable logic you possess there, sir. Keep up the fine work.
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07-28-2011 , 09:49 AM
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Originally Posted by EDDtown
Daliman, SGT RJ, Baudib, Ura****me


And by the way, no matter how many times you follow me around to a thread & make nonsense comments trying to discredit me. The intelligent people that come here to read these forums can decipher the difference in someone that speaks logically & someone that spews garbage delusional comments just for argument sake.

They also know you guys sound like a bunch of jealous little girls that's had your feelings hurt because someone else might be one up on you.
...c'mon, really?...
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07-28-2011 , 09:57 AM
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Originally Posted by DFish
...c'mon, really?...
Well that quote is very true actually.
Unfortunately Gabe is too thick to recognise he's the one spewing delusional garbage.
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07-28-2011 , 09:59 AM
And Gabe, do you really think 7 betting light preflop in the main event is the best way to abuse one's skill edge over another player? Seems like it would be a much lower variance to just play flops in position when you can read your opponent on multiple streets rather than play a bit of a guessing game preflop?
I can say with 100% certainty I would never put myself in a position to 7 bet light deep in the WSOP main event, because I think there are many better ways to accumulate chips, particularly with so many tells to be identified postflop, am I right?
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07-28-2011 , 10:03 AM
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Originally Posted by EDDtown
The intelligent people that come here to read these forums can decipher the difference in someone that speaks logically & someone that spews garbage delusional comments just for argument sake.
We certainly can.
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07-28-2011 , 10:08 AM
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Originally Posted by DeathAndTaxes
We certainly can.
Obviously if you don't agree with him then you aren't intelligent enough to recognize his genius. Only other geniuses can do so.

My question is, if you believe NVG is filled with mouth breathing sub-literates, why do you become irritated when your thread is filled with them (assuming anyone who disagrees with you is, in fact, stupid)? And why start a thread trying to educate them in the first place?

I eagerly await what will probably either be Gabe ignoring these questions or attacking my intelligence.
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07-28-2011 , 10:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Daliman
Again, helluva read that he almost mucked, but then 6bet, yet she still blew it. Quite amazing that she decides to do it vs his UTG open also, when he is almost never going to fold, (LOL_3BET_SIZING) But yes, we know how you think she's better than me from playing with me for 2 hours, even though I have been supporting a family by playing for over 7 years now and have over 500k hands of 10-20NL and 100k hands on 25-50 NL played at over 3BB/100. As I stated numerous times before, let me know when you are coming back, we can play, and you can put up your 2-1 on her vs me. Then I'll take 3-1 vs you after.

BTW, I am now going to take the liberty of bequeathing a nickname upon you.

Gabe "All Talk" Costner. Let's see if we can get that one to stick, 2+2!
How on earth did you manage to rack up those kinds of stats between spamming the F5 and POAST buttons as much as you do is what I want to know.

And what's with the wolfpack mentality being exhibited by all the online badasses in this thread? Man, all it takes is one of you to send out some testosterone laden clarion call and the rest of you come bounding out of your rat holes to join in some vainglorious crusade to prove your e-manhood by attacking Gabe for what amounts to no good reason.

You all sound like a bunch of pre-pubescent Warcraft junkies, only you're arguing about poker instead of boss kills.

The lot of you are pretty pathetic and are an excellent example of why censorship of the internet is probably a good idea. I can't believe I read through this car crash of a thread.
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07-28-2011 , 11:08 AM
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Originally Posted by Sdgullsfan84
How on earth did you manage to rack up those kinds of stats between spamming the F5 and POAST buttons as much as you do is what I want to know.

And what's with the wolfpack mentality being exhibited by all the online badasses in this thread? Man, all it takes is one of you to send out some testosterone laden clarion call and the rest of you come bounding out of your rat holes to join in some vainglorious crusade to prove your e-manhood by attacking Gabe for what amounts to no good reason.

You all sound like a bunch of pre-pubescent Warcraft junkies, only you're arguing about poker instead of boss kills.

The lot of you are pretty pathetic and are an excellent example of why censorship of the internet is probably a good idea. I can't believe I read through this car crash of a thread.
Well written as this may be, you seemed to miss the part when Gabe started this thread, and started throwing around random claims and insulting the intelligence of others. It was the part before anyone else said anything.

No one should be insulting anyone as a person, but there's nothing wrong with disputing claims and debating opinions. Like I said, I've known him for years and never had a problem with him or thought he was a bad guy.
Whether or not he has his facts straight and knows what he's talking about is a different story, and seems to be up for serious debate.
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07-28-2011 , 11:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Sdgullsfan84

And what's with the wolfpack mentality being exhibited by all the online badasses in this thread? Man, all it takes is one of you to send out some testosterone laden clarion call and the rest of you come bounding out of your rat holes to join in some vainglorious crusade to prove your e-manhood by attacking Gabe for what amounts to no good reason.
edd laid out a challenge to pretty much always play a online player in a live setting.

As usual when live players challenge online players, someone almost immediately comes out of the wood work to accept.

And of course the super elite live pros that talk a big game, ALWAYS sulk away when taken up on the offer.

2p2 has seen this many times before. It's nothing new.
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07-28-2011 , 12:39 PM
EDDtown, I really would like to give you the benefit of the doubt and I hope that the posters in this thread are wrong about you and your character.

Would you please just simply explain this comment of yours (in the context of my offer to come and play you wherever you want)?

"Id play any online player in a live setting anytime "
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07-28-2011 , 02:29 PM
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Originally Posted by samoleus
EDDtown, I really would like to give you the benefit of the doubt and I hope that the posters in this thread are wrong about you and your character.

Would you please just simply explain this comment of yours (in the context of my offer to come and play you wherever you want)?

"Id play any online player in a live setting anytime "
samoleus has been extremely polite and has not attacked you at all. he is actually giving more credence to your argument than almost anyone else in this thread. why can't you respond to him? this is the 4th time he has posted something similar to this, and his posts have been quoted several times more as well. just respond to his question
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07-28-2011 , 05:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Sdgullsfan84
How on earth did you manage to rack up those kinds of stats between spamming the F5 and POAST buttons as much as you do is what I want to know.

And what's with the wolfpack mentality being exhibited by all the online badasses in this thread? Man, all it takes is one of you to send out some testosterone laden clarion call and the rest of you come bounding out of your rat holes to join in some vainglorious crusade to prove your e-manhood by attacking Gabe for what amounts to no good reason.

You all sound like a bunch of pre-pubescent Warcraft junkies, only you're arguing about poker instead of boss kills.

The lot of you are pretty pathetic and are an excellent example of why censorship of the internet is probably a good idea. I can't believe I read through this car crash of a thread.
Sdgullsfan seems to be one of the only posters here actually reading this thread objectively. It's pretty obvious that I'm the only one being attacked here & I never insulted anyone elses intelligence until they started making comments about how delusional I am.

I started the thread just to shed some light on some things that maybe some others have not really recognized because they look at the game from only a mathmatical theory standpoint. I learned originally from players that knew more than me, had I shut them out I wouldn't be where I am today.

I also spent 6 days a week on average sitting in home games or card rooms grinding NL & watching player while others were playing recreationally or talking about random things while waiting on good starting cards to get their attention again, I was watching. I put a lot of effort into the game to learn the things that I picked up over the years.
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07-28-2011 , 05:38 PM
I skipped a couple of pages but just to be sure I didn't miss out on the main points, you did say you'd play anyone and then backed out when you got offers?

Is this correct?
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07-28-2011 , 05:49 PM
OP, 3 tables of 5/10 HU?
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07-28-2011 , 05:52 PM
Samoleous - Whenever I said that I would play any online player in a live setting , I was just basically stating that I feel like I have an edge on an online player playing live. It was more of a figure of speech. It wasn't meant to be taken as an open challenge for any random player on the forum to try & set up a match.


I actually have been concentrating more on trading over the past year as you will notice I don't have any tournament results since last years main event. I keep most of my money there & haven't been playing as large lately. That doesn't mean that I will not start back playing high stakes again or will not play you, only that it's not really a big deal to me to say I beat an online player HU, It doesn't prove anything to myself as I've proved all I need to prove to myself. It might change the opinions of some posters on this forum if I beat you, but I don't really care enough to go wire out a bunch of money from my accounts so that I can play you.

If you want to come to biloxi & play 30 or 40k worth of freezeouts, then that's your choice if you think it will prove something. I will definately play you. I doubt that's enough money to entice you to come. But I hope if your a decent guy then you will have respect for someone elses money management. Most of the posters here don't. They just want to see if I'm right.
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07-28-2011 , 05:57 PM
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Originally Posted by EDDtown
Sdgullsfan seems to be one of the only posters here actually reading this thread objectively. It's pretty obvious that I'm the only one being attacked here & I never insulted anyone elses intelligence until they started making comments about how delusional I am.
Completely false. I challenge you to find a single spot in this thread where I stated you were delusional. Whereas I already replied to a one of your posts where you suggested that my mere presence drops the collective IQ of the thread.

Nice to see you finally respond to the challenge issued in the thread, even if it was to back peddle and deny that you meant what you said.

Are there any other statements you've made in the thread that you'd like to change?
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07-28-2011 , 06:01 PM
You started the thread as a brag about your "unique" reading skills and to say that your gf was trained to be a great live player by the best in the world -- you -- and offering to lay 2-1 on her beating a live player, which of course you could also do because you have never met anyone you didn't feel you could beat if the cards ran even.
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07-28-2011 , 06:20 PM
Fish - Not sure what I think about some of your post. Doesn't really sound like someone I took as a friend. Although I do remember someone telling me something you & Matt were saying one time & now it makes more sense to me.


Regardless of what your beliefs are regarding this or the cheating I've talked about, you will never prove either wrong. As hard as it is to believe , It's all true. I would have a hard time believing it too If I hadn't saw it myself & have the proof. But one thing I can say about myself is that my word means a great deal & I don't say anything unless I know or believe it to be true. I may be wrong sometimes, but If I say it, then I at least believe it true.

Principal means a lot to me, That's why I turned down the online sponsorship money. If I have enough integrity to turn down $65000, then why in hell would I come on to a forum & lie about something.

As much as you think that everything is on the square, you should keep it at that if you believe that, But for once, have you ever thought that maybe there is something to what I'm saying. Rather than call someone delusional or a liar & jump to judgement, maybe you should ask some questions & find out for yourself if It might be true. Especially when it comes from someone that's pretty intelligent & is in position to know somethings that maybe some others don't.

Next time you see me at a poker tournament, why don't you just forget you saw me & keep walking.
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07-28-2011 , 07:17 PM
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Originally Posted by EDDtown

Principal means a lot to me,
another blunder.



samoleus please play him for 40k, hero!
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07-28-2011 , 07:18 PM
Gabe, if you'd prefer never speak to me again, that's your prerogative I guess, but you must know that I'm not the only one you know that feels this way?
I mean saying stuff like Claudia is the best/one of the best female players because she got 85th in the main event... you have to know how ridiculous that sounds, right? And saying you had a physical read on a kid in the 1 seat (who is a good player and wears a hoodie, no idea what type of "tells" you had), from the rail, when his back was to the rail... you really expect people to buy that? REALLY?
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07-28-2011 , 07:20 PM
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Originally Posted by EDDtown
have you ever thought that maybe there is something to what I'm saying. Rather than call someone delusional or a liar & jump to judgement, maybe you should ask some questions & find out for yourself if It might be true.


come on man. what basis do you have to make these statements?! and absolutely NO ONE has called you a 'liar'.

also, we are asking questions to find out if it may be true. you have given no objective analysis or any sort of proof/evidence to back up your argument.

i would challenge you to quote posts by you in this thread that back up your thesis/point/main argument in this thread, but it is futile!


edit: samoleus i'd contribute to your travel costs if you played him a series of freezeouts for 40k; still have no idea if this type of match is close to worth your time
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