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07-21-2011 , 06:44 PM
Lets start booking side action on a potential HU match between Samo and OP. Even though they will likely end up playing less than 5000 hands throughout an entire match and short term variance will be a huge factor when looking at results, this doesn't change the fact that if either party is plus EV, it would best still be worth their while to agree to a match if stakes are high enough.

I'd be willing to book $5,000 in side action that Samo will beat OP in a match where they agree to play a set number of hands
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07-21-2011 , 06:45 PM
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Originally Posted by EDDtown
icantme - I'm also pretty good with pyschology, (big in Poker). I would say that your very detail oriented & put too much value in small details, Take a look at the forest sometime, much more beautiful than the trees.
i put value in hilarious threads like these and keeping them going when someone is as hilarious as you are!

also, your analogy is unbelievably poor!

also your/you're again!




Helpfully,

ucantcme63
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07-21-2011 , 06:45 PM
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Why is this hard to believe? There are self-taught traders out there that never needed to learn spelling, and after all there are very good poker players with horrendous English skills.
Very true, but his profile says he has a bachelors in finance - any reputable four year school would have required him to take enough courses that required writing papers in an at least somewhat polished style.

Even that's debatable, though. As a TA I graded masters level papers that I thought were barely good enough to be high school level. Contrary to popular belief, you can get through college with well below average intelligence/skills in a few or many areas of academic knowledge.

I think OP likely believes every word he says, and would love to see him put his money where his mouth is and play an online pro HU4ROLLZ.
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07-21-2011 , 06:45 PM
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Originally Posted by oakton55
Lets start booking side action on a potential HU match between Samo and OP. Even though they will likely end up playing less than 5000 hands throughout an entire match and short term variance will be a huge factor when looking at results, this doesn't change the fact that if either party is plus EV, it would best still be worth their while to agree to a match if stakes are high enough.

I'd be willing to book $5,000 in side action that Samo will beat OP in a match where they agree to play a set number of hands
it's not going to happen, let's not try to turn this into a reasonable thread.



Pleasantly,

ucantcme63
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07-21-2011 , 06:47 PM
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Originally Posted by ucantcme63
Darn, I thought they all had at least high school educations. Almost all intelligent people that graduate high school learn how to avoid the most common spelling and grammar mistakes. I may be wrong.



Respectfully,

ucantcme63
For sure, I mean I think most of them would have somewhat decent grammar I just know that there are definitely traders out there who write like you wouldn't believe.

Whatever though, EDD is an idiot and everybody knows it by now. No point bickering amongst ourselves

edit: Ah SGT RJ didn't notice his profile said that, makes it less likely i guess, not that it was likely in the first place.
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07-21-2011 , 06:50 PM
If op has a ba in finance. He has no chance in winning a head up match. He wants to play full ring like phil hellmuth.
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07-21-2011 , 06:50 PM
oh and daliman wins this thread, who would ve thought that you can read online and know who u r?

and his argument was the death of your ramblings, i literally sat bolt upright and started clapping when he guessed who u were, that must ve been humiliating eh bud? I reckon thats why u r now on this mission to argue everyone down cause u ve been called out.

anyway keep it up, my guess is u r winning

(in your head but I doubt u lose there much, unless someone s in your brain using lasers/cards not breaking even)
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07-21-2011 , 06:53 PM
You moron, I did everything but say who I was , LOL
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07-21-2011 , 06:53 PM
Gabe, IMO, a top online player has basically been at a disadvantage to a top live player since they do not have the opportunity to "read physical tells" playing online.
That being said it would make sense that in a live scenerio the online player would play even better now that they have the opportunity to add that to their arsenal.

I think it would be safe to assume that their reading skills might not be as refined as a top live player but operating from the premise that something is better than nothing I would have to advocate that the on line player would play better than they normally do on line. (this is assuming the online player has little to no experience playing live)

I would also think you would agree that a live player would have a more difficult time adjusting to online poker than the online player adjusting to live play.
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07-21-2011 , 06:59 PM
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Originally Posted by EDDtown
You moron, I did everything but say who I was , LOL
lol ouch moron.

Im glad u consider me a moron if u considered me anything but I d be concerned.

care to address the points raised re not playing the challengers/ backing your gf to play?

honestly man I hope u ve rattled a load of coke and r just off on one and re read this in the aftermath and wince with cringe.
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07-21-2011 , 07:01 PM
Casey, That is mostly true


I will tell you that I have a background in online poker, I played when planet poker was the 1st site going, paradise etc. I used to keep the tables going at night on full tilt in 2004 . Players like The donator, merovingian, professor plum, raze it, crapstain, paul wolfe, layne flack, matasow,. We used to keep the games going. The biggest back then was 25 50NL, not nosebleed like now.


I can tell you, there is a ton more skill & much bigger edge live for the players willing to learn.
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07-21-2011 , 07:04 PM
Also wanted to say that If I played an online player HU, The very fact that they are aware of what I'm doing now will lessen my edge dramatically. If they were in a normal game unaware , there is much more to be picked up. So don't come to me wearing sunglass & eskimo suit covering every inch of your body expecting to play me.
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07-21-2011 , 07:07 PM
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Originally Posted by EDDtown
Also wanted to say that If I played an online player HU, The very fact that they are aware of what I'm doing now will lessen my edge dramatically. If they were in a normal game unaware , there is much more to be picked up. So don't come to me wearing sunglass & eskimo suit covering every inch of your body expecting to play me.
lol u ducked all the challenges what difference does it make
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07-21-2011 , 07:10 PM
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Originally Posted by EDDtown
Casey, That is mostly true


I will tell you that I have a background in online poker, I played when planet poker was the 1st site going, paradise etc. I used to keep the tables going at night on full tilt in 2004 . Players like The donator, merovingian, professor plum, raze it, crapstain, paul wolfe, layne flack, matasow,. We used to keep the games going. The biggest back then was 25 50NL, not nosebleed like now.


I can tell you, there is a ton more skill & much bigger edge live for the players willing to learn.
I remember planet poker, I was playing FLH back then, did they spread NL or do you mean FL?
The face of Mike Caro will be embedded in my brain for life when ever I think of that place.
I moved over to Party, I thought the games were a lot softer than Paradise.

I can't believe you remember all those screenames from Planet!
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07-21-2011 , 07:11 PM
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So don't come to me wearing sunglass & eskimo suit covering every inch of your body expecting to play me.
Sunglasses conceal your soul?

So what your saying is your massively underrated edge can in fact be countered by the simple and commonplace measures of wearing baggy/concealing clothes, sunglasses, and sitting as still as possible after you make any move, either bluff or value bet. Gotcha.
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07-21-2011 , 07:12 PM
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Originally Posted by EDDtown
Also wanted to say that If I played an online player HU, The very fact that they are aware of what I'm doing now will lessen my edge dramatically. If they were in a normal game unaware , there is much more to be picked up. So don't come to me wearing sunglass & eskimo suit covering every inch of your body expecting to play me.
"what I'm doing now"???? You mean players in live games don't normally expect tells to be part of the game?

The other posters are right. You're way overestimating the importance of tells. The fact that you say that it's "200% more skill in live poker" shows how ridiculously important you think tells are.
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07-21-2011 , 07:13 PM
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Originally Posted by FlatTard
lol u ducked all the challenges what difference does it make
Also this. Someone needs to compile the entire list of challenges and backing off that EDD has done ITT
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07-21-2011 , 07:16 PM
Five star thread, it's like OP is trolling himself.

I have to say I find it amazing that someone as illogical, incoherent, delusional and well, just not very bright as OP has had any kind of success at poker. Lol variance.
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07-21-2011 , 07:18 PM
Jedi, The very fact that your saying that live tells are overestimated is the very reason that I get a big edge using them, If everyone knew, then the edge would be small or nullified. I'm sorry, not being arrogant , rude or anything like that, you & most of the others here just don't get it.

Its because you don't know how to interpret them, most people give up & assume there's not edge because they misinterpret. There is no good information on it, Mike Caros book is just general tells & sucks for No limit. No one has written a book on it, I learned from watching people for 10 years & I would never tell anyone my secrets that I'm not staking or good friends with & I dont tell them everything
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07-21-2011 , 07:27 PM
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Originally Posted by EDDtown
Also wanted to say that If I played an online player HU, The very fact that they are aware of what I'm doing now will lessen my edge dramatically. If they were in a normal game unaware , there is much more to be picked up. So don't come to me wearing sunglass & eskimo suit covering every inch of your body expecting to play me.
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Originally Posted by EDDtown
Jedi, The very fact that your saying that live tells are overestimated is the very reason that I get a big edge using them, If everyone knew, then the edge would be small or nullified. I'm sorry, not being arrogant , rude or anything like that, you & most of the others here just don't get it.

Its because you don't know how to interpret them, most people give up & assume there's not edge because they misinterpret. There is no good information on it, Mike Caros book is just general tells & sucks for No limit. No one has written a book on it, I learned from watching people for 10 years & I would never tell anyone my secrets that I'm not staking or good friends with & I dont tell them everything
so someone being aware of what tells are and that people look for them will decrease ur edge dramatically, and people aren't aware of this in normal games? ok good logic, and people wearing sunglasses and baggy clothes decreases ur edge, you just described 80% of poker players.

If I'm following you here, you can basically soul read anyone who has never heard about tells, doesn't wear sunglasses or baggy clothes and has no idea what you are doing correct?

PS, why have you ducked Samo's acceptance of ur challenge, then repeated the challenge later?
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07-21-2011 , 07:29 PM
Wow, My IQ has dropped just from responding to the morons on this thread. GL to you all, I'll see you on the felt sometime
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07-21-2011 , 07:31 PM
OP would rather make soul-reads against the top poker players in the world back home in Mississippi than crush the fish on the tournament circuit, pretty sick.
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07-21-2011 , 07:35 PM
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see you on the felt sometime
channeling Doug Lee.
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07-21-2011 , 07:37 PM
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Wow, My IQ has dropped just from responding to the morons on this thread. GL to you all, I'll see you on the felt sometime
A friend of mine use to own a cigar store in Biloxi, it got wiped out in the hurricane moved here to the Ft. Laud area and opened a shop here. He keeps threatening to take me out there to play sometime. If we do I'll look you up and remind you of this nightmare........
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07-21-2011 , 07:38 PM
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PKZ - I wasn't running hot in those tournaments, As a matter of fact I ran terrible on most of the final tables. Last year when I had the chip lead in the main event 50 players left, the most cards I caught were day 7. I grinded my stack for days mostly restealing from online players. I won very few hands at showdown.

I could repeat the performance if I wanted. If I want to be in the cardplayer of the year race, I would just go play a bunch of tournies. In my game there isn't as much variance because I'm not in there flipping marginal equity EV situations. I'm keeping pots small & reading players.
Like your 5bet AI versus AA with KQ you were talking about in your last tournament?

Sounds like a sick read, bro. Were his irises thinned?
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