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Anyway done with this thread, I had this conversation with Daliman a couple of weeks ago & saw it mentioned last night so I felt that someone with more knowledge on the situation needed to chime in, I keep hearing the same thing about online players being the best, They are better than the average live player & thus why they are winning against average live competition, but the best live players which are the ones that have studied body language are better than the best online players. It's actually pretty simple. Not sure why everyone wants argue it.

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07-20-2011 , 06:25 PM

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King_of_NYC

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Originally Posted by Daliman

Op is Gabe Costner. He has confirmed it by confirming he played with me last week at Rio in a 5-10 game.

Kk. Thank you.

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07-20-2011 , 06:25 PM

#253

Lego05

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Originally Posted by EDDtown

craigmarq, Owning me? Not sure what you mean. I played 5 10 with the guy , never played a hand with him mainly because he was never in a pot.

He watched me get coldecked for an hour, I was right on every pot I was in. He even said himself that i was super unlucky.

I believe his statement of you should learn to fold instead of go with your read when you know your right kind of summed up his poker mindset. I don't have to say much more than that.

And I hope Claudia & he get to play one day, Id probably lay 2 to 1

If it ever goes down PM me about it. I'd take some action on that.

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07-20-2011 , 06:26 PM

#254

samoleus

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Not arguing it mate - just offering you a chance to make a lot of money if you really believe what you are saying.

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07-20-2011 , 06:28 PM

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Xereles

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I love how you define good player as someone who has ever held a chip lead in a tournament lol.

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07-20-2011 , 06:31 PM

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Kirbynator

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I love how you define good player as someone who has ever held a chip lead in a tournament lol.

that's factor #2.

factor #1 is "Have they been close to me in some way?"

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07-20-2011 , 06:54 PM

#257

Daliman

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Originally Posted by samoleus

Not arguing it mate - just offering you a chance to make a lot of money if you really believe what you are saying.

He really does believe it. He just won't put his money where his mouth is.

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07-20-2011 , 06:59 PM

#258

Turb0Licious

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Thread title is not true IMO.

As much as it sounds like it should be correct, it just isn't. We had to admit it, but the Internet Pokerz, training sites, coaching, strat review, ebooks, poker forums, etc has really helped excel internet players gave and put a lot of time and effort into developing their games. Whether it's from reading the best poker books on the market or being coached by a pro, we cannot say the top 10 poker players will always be live players, really?

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07-20-2011 , 07:11 PM

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sirswish6

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Originally Posted by EDDtown

I would play you if I ever ran into you, I live in biloxi MS . But its not about ego with me or even the money for that matter so I would never make a trip just to play someone. I would just tell you that if your ever in town or run into me in vegas to hit me up & we will play.

I don't even like playing HU live because its too slow , would have to have multiple dealers. I also will only play moderate stake in casinos. I would play much bigger outside of a casino with a normal deck of cards. I posted a thread earlier about why, There is technology in the casinos now that can be used to cheat. Infared lasers

+1, internet poker is the only pure form of poker left

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07-20-2011 , 08:08 PM

#260

Bruut99

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Hmmm.. ranking wsop finishes as how good you are as a poker player will always result in the top10 in the world being live players right.

Oh and it seems like you are a bit fooled by randomness sir.

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07-20-2011 , 08:34 PM

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ucantcme63

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Originally Posted by EDDtown

Not that it means anything but I've only played with Ivey in tournaments & I've busted him twice, WPT tunica 10k & $1500 PLO rebuy 2008. That obvious doesn't mean anything since he doesn't play his A game in tournaments until he gets a lot of chips, He was more or less gambling

anyone else chuckle?

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07-20-2011 , 08:35 PM

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ucantcme63

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Originally Posted by EDDtown

There are more people making a living daytrading than poker, they also make money when the market goes down. It is much much tougher than poker though, more discipline, patients, but still similar tight aggressive works well, stay out until you have the edge, then trade big

how many patients do you have to have to make a living daytrading?

edit: that is now to/too, your/you're, there/their, wear/where, and patients/patience mistakes all in this thread by edd. he has like 80 posts, and i haven't read more than 20 of them. HOWEVER, he can beat anyone in the world heads up and is a shark daytrader. i thought you had to be educated to make money daytrading. i'm probably wrong, whatever.

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07-20-2011 , 08:37 PM

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ucantcme63

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Originally Posted by EDDtown

I also did not say that I was the best in the world, I could never say that because I haven't played with everyone & there are players that we will never meet. What I will say is that it is an opinion of mine that I personally haven't played with anyone yet that I feel like has an edge over me, I feel there are some that I would play pretty even with, but they are not the same guys you read about on forums, I have met players that I think are better at NL holdem than what the popular opinions are

oh jeez, you just directly implied Phil Ivey does not have a long term edge on you (or that he may be one of the players you play pretty even with).

edit: your statement that it's not the guys you'd read about on the forums implies you have an edge over Phil Ivey.

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07-20-2011 , 08:39 PM

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ucantcme63

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Originally Posted by EDDtown

So its possible that I could play player X (great online player, math based, but has learned not to give away certain basic info) . I might have difficult time beating them head up.

However if me & player X sits in a ring game, I would expect to win more money from bad players that do give away tells, but maybe not necessarily beat him much playing HU.

So there are different ways to interpret the best

this vastly contradicts the statement that you have an edge vs. almost anyone in the world heads up (including every single person that we read about on these forums --read above)

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07-20-2011 , 08:40 PM

#265

jedi

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Just wanted to get a post in what will surely be the new "Doug Lee" thread.

And it's great that he's getting owned by Daliman and a guy that actually made a main event final table. (Oh yes, it's a live tournament too!)

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07-20-2011 , 08:41 PM

#266

boobies4me

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This is the thread that keeps on giving. This guy should post more.

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07-20-2011 , 08:42 PM

#267

ucantcme63

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Originally Posted by EDDtown

I will say that there are some players that don't give off much, There

there/their again ....see below..i.e. THEIR NATURAL POSTURE

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natural posture, facial expressions & other things that I won't go into since gives too much information away.

you're not giving away anything. do you honestly think you are?

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Some players I would find it tough to beat if they dont give a lot away, others are like an open book (even some good players). I might not personally have an edge over the player that plays great & doesn't give away much, but I could extract more money from a game than they could where some of the players do give away information because I can interpret it & they don't.

complete rubbish, also contradictory to what you said earlier...also now straying from the beat anyone in the world heads up (if the cards break even) notion

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07-20-2011 , 08:43 PM

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ucantcme63

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Originally Posted by EDDtown

To this day there are still players that stare at the flop when making decisions, Good players that some think are or close to the best, I will just say that if your are in a hand & not looking at your opponent, only staring at the board, You could never be the best player, maybe online , but not in live play where the skill level required to play close to solved poker is much higher, therefor why I say that the best player in the world is a live player.

LOL, so anyone that stares at the flop while making their decision is bad/losing? Explain this further

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07-20-2011 , 08:43 PM

#269

subcon1

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I really, really hate it when live players say "head up". The tilt caused by this is immeasurable.

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07-20-2011 , 08:45 PM

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Filetmignon67

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agree 100% with OP.

seems extremely intuitive and common sense.. not sure how it's debatable.

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07-20-2011 , 08:45 PM

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ucantcme63

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Originally Posted by EDDtown

I would play you if I ever ran into you, I live in biloxi MS . But its not about ego with me or even the money for that matter so I would never make a trip just to play someone. I would just tell you that if your ever in town or run into me in vegas to hit me up & we will play.

I don't even like playing HU live because its too slow , would have to have multiple dealers. I also will only play moderate stake in casinos. I would play much bigger outside of a casino with a normal deck of cards. I posted a thread earlier about why, There is technology in the casinos now that can be used to cheat. Infared lasers

besides the lack of apostrophes which is fine online/text/whatever, this is just hilarious again.

also, in before/after (didn't read all of thread) more hilarious card scandals in vegas that prevent OP from playing high stakes vs players he has a decided advantage over.

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07-20-2011 , 08:46 PM

#272

ucantcme63

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Originally Posted by EDDtown

You can say mississippi all you want, but the best players in the world per capita are from here

evidence or LOL

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07-20-2011 , 08:47 PM

#273

ucantcme63

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last thing for now,

Has OP cleared up how it is worth his time to argue with people in this thread that will never agree with him when he is capable of playing anyone in the world at HU NLHE and beating them if the cards break even?

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07-20-2011 , 08:49 PM

#274

subcon1

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Originally Posted by Filetmignon67

agree 100% with OP.

seems extremely intuitive and common sense.. not sure how it's debatable.

You lose the thread.

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07-20-2011 , 08:57 PM

#275

kfs

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Originally Posted by Filetmignon67

agree 100% with OP.

seems extremely intuitive and common sense.. not sure how it's debatable.

Only if you say that the best live players (who have never played any significant amount online) playing strictly live, full ring, nlhe or plo, would be better at taking money off of weak, recreational players than someone who strictly plays online (no significant live experience).

So basically, live is as different from online, as plo is different from razz. Yes, we all know this. But he is implying much more (although going back and forth).

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