are you a live pro?

Well, if they play live poker for a year, the live poker pro's will win. If they play online poker for a year, the online players will win... Not sure what you call poker...

or let me explain it different... 2+2=4

There are many online players who crush live and online highstakes, same can't be said about the mainly live players.
Ivey,Dwan,Antonius etc all online crushers in my book.

It's like a reverse no true scottsman fallacy.

No mostly online player could crush the highest stakes live.

[A mostly online player goes out and crushes said game].

Bah, he's no longer just an online guy since he added the live skills - no mostly online player could crush the game WITHOUT adding live skills to their game!

The argument can't be defeated - online guy loses at the highest stakes live, it's because online skill sets don't work live, and online guy wins at said stakes, it's because he added live skills.

The reason the best players play live is because easier money to be made.

I'm assuming the fat whales would much rather play in a casino, with 5star treatment, than sitting online playing at home.

Daliman, Bending the facts a little?

"Within 15 minutes he was already raise/4betting/cbet/ shoving turn bottom pair, inflating the living crap out of pots constantly with little regard for hand values or ranges, and losing ~5k in the span of 2 hours"

Really, I think I 4 bet a kid that reraised me because of one of the tells I've been speaking about, I had k6 off & he had 8 high when most of the money went in, he called $350 more with 78 with only about 700 more behind, of course when the flop came 468, the money is going in. That was after nitting it up for a while, it was the first play I made & I only made it because I saw when he talked himself into reraising, I knew he didnt have it. Also I lost around $3000 , If you don't recall I also flopped a flush against the same guy flop 710j, all diamonds, Me q8 diamonds in BB on straddled pot, Him Kx diamonds. I also did lose the hand you talked about, Lost the JJ to AJ on river ACE, Pretty bad luck for an hour or so I'd say.


"Probably cashed big in a few events, then thought he played for a living, without understanding what being a professional poker player is all about"

Also I'm actually a cash player & have been playing NL holdem since before it started in the casinos, I was playing for a living when limit poker was still the only game in town, So I was involved in No limit when the 1st games begin to spring up in the casinos, I've probably played close to as many NL live hands as anyone. Obviously wasn't around in the old PL holdem days, but were talking modern NL holdem (basically the past 10 years).

I also never played a tournament in my life until 2008 which I finished with more POY final tables than anyone, I've never considered myself a tournament player, although I do extremely well in them. I even listed on one of my profiles that I wished they would take the celebrity status away from tournament poker because the cash players make up the group of the best players. I've won at poker as consistently as anyone that's played the game so I think I know what its like to be a professional poker player.

Also the 5 10 game I played with you , I had 3000 on me, so I bought in short while I was waiting on my girlfriend to finish up a level in the main event, She got 85th by the way & Id put her up against you anyday, she's beat 25 50NL & 50 100 200 PLO against tough players, she just a protege of mine & could still beat you.

put the top 50 online pros vs the top 50 live pros for a year in a live setting and the online pros will not go broke. online pros have a little thing called bankroll management.

Evil - If there bankroll management is good, that would require them leaving the game entirely because they couldn't win

A lot of live players have a fear or randomness that manifests itself in weird ways. The more ridiculous manifestations would be asking for deck change or blaming the dealer (Hellmuth even has done this). Thinking you have more control than you actually do (via soul-reads) would be one of them imo. Esp the higher you go.

Also, I'm not convinced this isn't a massive level.

Egos, ITT

Overinflated, silicone-filled egos IMO

no money online, everyone solid....big money in 1 tabling live 50/100 full ring games however

also, many of the Top 50 online players in the world are also in the Top 50 live players in the world, whole thread is stupid. It is based on something that is obv true but extrapolated to the point of being ******ed

you write like you're under 18

has he explained what this means?

Just before he left the table, I got in a ~$3500 hand (not vs him) where I raised the flop, and he started talking about how you can always tell if someone has it or mot by the bands around the irises. I obv covered up my eyes at this point, stacked the guy in the hand, and GC started crowing abut how he knew I had it, and how he shouldn't have told us all about it because that one tell alone is worth half a million dollars.

So it appears the ledger looks like this:

Bands of irises: $500000 +
Twisting and listening to Oreo: ~$50000

sunglasses + hoodie and suddenly I can beat anybody in the world b/c they won't be able to read me

Pretty good read by me, huh?

Btw, how does "Most of the $$$ go in with 8 high" when he has $700 more behind. Even your faulty memory is incorrect, as that wouldn't be "most of the $$$". When you 4bet him from the button or CO I specifically remember him asking how much you had, and you said you started the hand around $1500 and he had you covered. You made it 30 or 40, he made it like 140, you made it 350ish. Flop came out J86, you bet like 400, he called, turn 9, you shoved, he called with 78 since he was now open ended. Not saying he played the hand great, but you delude yourself by changing the details.

I don't want to get into a whole dismantling of your argument piece by piece, although I obv could, as I did that day, but you're like 34 years old. HTF do you think you have played "close to as many NL live hands as anyone"? You've won at poker as "consistently as anyone that's played the game" and you're 34? Do you even understand the fallacy of your statement? And don't even get me started about your girlfriend, Claudia Crawford, who made one of the most horrible plays I have ever seen in tournament poker, a play so bad I actually made a specific comment about it 4 days ago!, one of the only hands I posted myself, it was so bad. I will play her anytime, anywhere, for any stakes I can afford, and I could almost certainly get backed for stakes I can't. NL hold'em only tho, I don't play PLO (yet). I guess you're of the opinion I suck at poker, which is fine; you're not the first.

Like I said before, you seem like a nice enough guy, you just need to lay off all the conspiracy theories and learn not to inflate the living crap out of EVERY SINGLE pot you play, just because you "have a read". Folding to a 3bet is ok, even when you think your opponent is light. Listen to people who have different opinions than you, because none of us know all the answers. As I have said for many years, being good at poker isn't even in the top 5 skills needed to be a professional poker player.

PM me anytime to set that game up with your girl, btw.

He ran hot in 2008

Op plays low stakes and has 4.9 k careeer earning. But he's a soul reading live sharks who final tabled 60% of the time everytime. Dont **** with him u online punk he will stare into ur soul.

OP,

do you mind making a list of top ten live players? Doyle? Hellmuth?

Also if your statement is true, how come in the past few years even live tournaments were dominated by online pros?

your GF has a nice rack, grats

You looked up the wrong guy. He DOES have some nice results.

Gabe Costner

Literally stopped reading here. Another non-professional (or live 1/2nl grinder) recreatinoal fan interjecting his baseless opinion. Nothing to see here.

edit: Just realized OP is the same guy that was raving about physical tells in the previous thread, no surprise. I thought it was just another person as blatantly wrong as the last guy, turns out it's just the same guy wasting space on the forum with his delusions.

Phil Ivey does both. Close thread

Sometimes I wonder if a guy like boobies4me has a thinking mind at all. Where do you come from? Are you a poker player?


Are you really saying that live tells are not part of the game?

And are you saying that someone that's accomplished what I have in poker doesn't deserve an opinion & isnt a poker player at all? I'm curious just what your reason for posting at all other than to fill up some space in your life.