This is a case where my reasoning ability, story of the hand, (Online players are good at this) also figures into the hand range he could have if bluffing, It is pretty polarized (online term since on 2+2) bluff or value betting big hand. It's my tell reading ability that narrows it down to bluff, then I can just hope hes not bluffing k10, a10, or 10 4

Well I guess with the bullet proof tell that someone "looks like he's bluffing".


Of course I already knew that as you probably could gather from reading:

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...6&postcount=63





Also, I suppose somebody will say it eventually: Nice limp pre-flop with QJo in early position.

If you could learn fundamentals and put it together with your crazy tell reading ability imagine how good you be.

Lego , when you get to this level of play, you will limp many more hands & only 3 or 4 bet for value or if you know the other guy is light. Much more flatting from great live players.

Why do i want to 4 bet someone that I hope is light because their VIP is high %, lol. When I can get a better bias by looking at them rather than using stats.

Good call, now go take your meds, get a good nights sleep and call your doc in the morning and ask he to increase the dose.

Online is easier then live in the sense when ur quickly down 3-4 buy ins ur like fk i need to win this sht back, u quickly can off some other reg whose feeling that crave. Live ur stuck 3-4 buy ins, game over getting it back from that nitty Asian whose proudly stacking those chips.

Ok casey, Can someone look to see if I really play poker at all, I'm not real sure, maybe I'm just dreaming I can play or even play at all for that matter. Maybe I do need meds, now, Can you help me, WTF ?

How does this post make any sense?

You open-limped. If you raised it would have just been a raise, not a 3bet or a 4bet.

I don't really understand what you are trying to say in regard to 4betting someone because you hope he is light because of a high VPIP %.

And I don't think "bias" was the word you actually wanted to use there.

OP you are a joke. The only bluffs that beat you are AT, KT, T4? The only bluffs you beat are T5, T3, T2... And is it possible people are much more likely to play AT and KT than T5, T3 or T2...

Casey, your the reason I still come to these forums anyway, always some naive smartass thinks he knows it all out to pull out an insult. If you had half the 20th I Q of your number of post maybe you could make some assumptions of your own based on logic of my post.

You beat me to it lol

Didn't mean to strike a nerve, that was rude and I apologize. That being said I've had enough fun for one night.
I wish you all the best Ed and hope you'll continue to post these very entertaining threads.

Apology accepted, don't see that to much on these forums.

EDDtown is hilarious

this seems to follow from OP posts really...

What exactly does "online player" mean anyway? Practically every pro in the world has played more hands online than live in the past 5 years...

so, durrrr is not a Top 10 NLHE cash player in the world? HAHHAHAHAHA.

you are like that guy who defines a word by including the word. Top 10 Live Players = Top 10 Live Players. Even then, you would still be wrong

There are a lot of hybrid players for sure that play both, In the end an intelligent person with the right mindset for the game can do well. Anyone can win as long as they aren't playing players that are better than them

When we are talking about the Ivey leagues, tells are hugely important. I'm not saying dolye, jennifer harman, or any of the other bobbie roomers are the best at reading tells, I believe there are some elite players that have moved way ahead of these players over the past couple of years & one day some of them will emerge as the obvious best, just aren't rolled for the nosebleeds yet.

Durrr is a hybrid player, Have you not ever watched him play live. He knows tells are hugely important, He knows some things & I believe is still learning. He watches other players at the table, I've played tournaments with him & was actually impressed with his live ability, I originally thought of him as an online player, but he is very good online & I beilieve is getting better, He's an intelligent guy & will pick up more overtime making him much better.

No doubt he is aware there's another element in live poker. Is he top 10?, all ill say is that we do not know all of the players out there, just because they are on tv doesn't mean they are the best, I know players playing 1 2NL that are broke from bad decisions,, sports, pitgames etc, that could play with any of them, the problem at 1 2NL is your running into rake problems.

This is certainly one of the more well constructed levels I've read in recent times.....and with good continuity from OP...... Hats off to you sir.

so you cop out of your original argument by calling durrrr a hybrid player?


couldn't help but laugh at this

OK, so you're saying online players will never become great at live poker, unless they become great at live poker.

LT22, That statement doesn't deserve much of a response, but Ill just reply that people like Mizrachi & Brad Booth have both been broke recently.


I know a guy that stakes about 10 players that don't have huge rolls, 6 of them made top 120 in main this year. One of them almost broke last year because of bad decisions held the chip lead most of the day yesterday.


I will even throw in that I've played everything from 1 2NL to 50 100 200 with an ante in the past 2 years.

what does people making the top 120 in the Main Event have to do with anything?

this is an intricate level

TheMainEvent: What I'm saying is that an online player can do really well live because the majority of live players are bad & can't read tells well enough to beat them.


I am also saying that the best online players have no shot overtime playing against the best live players in the world because the best live players can read tells

Some players are better than others at exploiting bad players as well, but when playing elite competition may be losing player. Similar to football where a team may be winning 60 or 70 points everygame because they play fastpaced fun & gun offense, but when they play the best SEC teams with defense they lose.