Define " best player "? Do you mean best NLHE cash player?

How did you work this out by the way?

you're erik seidel AMIRITE

Given that this poster just registered here this month, started a thread where he claimed people at the WSOP were cheating using different wavelengths of light, posted the aforementioned cheating scheme in a thread having something to do with Brad Booth, all of his other posts have been in this thread and a similar old live players vs. young online players or whatever, and he has claimed to have the highest ratio of tournaments played to final tables made in the country ..........

I would tend to lean toward the thought that those above stories, as well as a lot of what he says, are not true and the poster is a gimmick, or a troll, or crazy, or just having fun or whatever.

Why do I even open these threads...........

All the guys who think its underrated don't know how to quantify it, so they use conclusory reasoning and hope other people will be stupid enough not to notice. That's obviously the key.

Well I've made 3 final tables with over 2200 people in them & held the chip lead at the main event last year under 50 players, also 1st in the country in POY final tables 2008, so I might(just might) know what I'm talking about

obvious gimmick is obvious

also, what the hell does "1st in the country in player of the year final tables" even mean?

I also might say that I'm a cash player, 2008 was my first tournament year

Name doesn't matter, I just thought I'd amuse myself with how many players ignorant of the live factor in the game

First post

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...79&postcount=1

Well, I've made 4 final tables with over 2205 people in them & held the chip lead at the Main Event 2 years ago under 35 people, also was 1st in the country in POY final tables in 2007 and 2009, so I might (just might) know what I'm talking about just a little more than you.

Name doesn't matter though, I just thought I'd amuse myself with a couple players ignorant of physical tells being a more minor part of the game as opposed to it being the most important factor as they believe it to be and being ignorant that most people in the world highly overrate them.

Your name is sort of relevant since you make claims like : "I had the best final table per tournament ratio in the country." If we could see evidence of this it'd give you some credibility. But just like in your last thread about cheating at the RIO you probably won't offer any real proof.

If it's a false dichotomy then nearly everyone would be equally successful online/live over a large sample, which obviously isn't true.

You are so mysterious and full of secrets OP ...

I love you

Pretty big over-simplification:

Online players just know math.

Live players just know live tells.

Live tells exist in live therefore, online players lose.

Hmmm when calling a bluff it is usually a good idea to make sure you can beat a bluff...

Oh and WP getting to the river in a pot that is big enough to warrant a 300bb bet with 4th pair

well they do play different people, which doesnt necesarrily mean they are of different caliber.

If one's competition is easier online or live, it doesnt impact his absolute skills. Obviously, the consensus is that online high stakes dont have as many huge fish and the field is very saturated with long time pros competing for his money.

Most "live pros" who can't win online are simply not as good as they and their fans probably thought. Or they ran bad and gave up. It almost never happens in the other way. A case could be made about huge bumhunters but you will almost never see bumhunters adventure into live highstakes games.

This. So this. So very this. Holy christ this.

I want to give an example of how online & live poker differs. Several years ago on my way to a wsop 2k final table I called a guy down with QJ high. I made this call in a live game, but could never have done it online.

I limp QJ off 3rd seat to enter or OHH UTG +2(isn't that how the online guys say it) LOL.

Anyway one other limper on button. sm blind folds. BB checks

Board 789, BB small bet, I check behind me to make sure button hadn't flopped huge, I can't pick up that he has, so I float QJ with gutshot for nuts, AT this point I assume better has something. The turn comes a 7,, board 7789. This is where I start to pick something up. We are head up, He fires big on turn. That pretty much puts him on trips, flopped straight full most of the time since he check calls hands like 810 or 910 many times. The only thing is he looks like he's bluffing, not like he flopped big, so then I start to think maybe open ended is all he has, I float again. River 4. Now he stops for like 2 minutes then, overbets ships all in . I can tell hes stone cold & bluffing or at least doesn't want called. At this point I start figuring up what I can beat, I assume he prob has a 10 in hand & not completely leading out with air. The only hands I can put him on that beat me are A10, K10, or 104, So I finally call with QJ high. He goes ballistic. Has no clue why I call, thinks im the biggest donkey in the world. It was all tells & I would never call down online. I went to make the final table of 2300 players.

He had 10 2 by the way

or was it lazer lights?????

chuckled a few times