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Leon Tsoukernik subpoenad - stiffed Aussie Matt and Elton Tsang for millions Leon Tsoukernik subpoenad - stiffed Aussie Matt and Elton Tsang for millions

04-29-2018 , 01:55 AM
The horrendous run-bad continues for Matt.
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04-29-2018 , 02:20 AM
rivered for another 500k pot lol. He must be over 2mil below EV between the 2 sessions
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04-29-2018 , 02:21 AM
This is insane. Matt's going to need some regular wellness checks to his hotel room.
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04-29-2018 , 04:19 AM
Matt down $2.7m & was stuck over 3 at one stage... insane game they have going on here
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04-29-2018 , 05:55 AM
done, final results

matt -$3.7m
Leon +$2.8m
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04-29-2018 , 06:11 AM
Rob +1m
Wolf +500
Trickett -440
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04-29-2018 , 06:29 AM
That was without a doubt the most degenerate thing I've ever watched happen.
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04-29-2018 , 06:30 AM
Leon is such a piece of ****.

Guy is up $2,8m and still he bitches and moans for 5 minutes plus over losing a pot which might have been worth $100k or so.

Rob called $30k pre with A842 and Leon just can´t stop talking about that.

Who the **** does he think he is?
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04-29-2018 , 06:31 AM



Actually $3.7 . . .
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04-29-2018 , 06:33 AM
Matty is a beautiful human being.... wonder what percentage of his net worth that was
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04-29-2018 , 06:51 AM
He said at the end he 'owes Rob 4'
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04-29-2018 , 06:53 AM
I disagree regarding Leon, the game could've easily broken and he stayed to play HU to give action.
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04-29-2018 , 07:00 AM
the tricket pot was pretty ridicolous too. to flop nuts redraw and be almost dead to Leon. must be sick.
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04-29-2018 , 08:51 AM
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Originally Posted by ProRailbird
That was without a doubt the most degenerate thing I've ever watched happen.
Agree...

Can’t help but think Rob has the biggest edge in this line through a combination of making good decisions in big pots and having big enough roll to take a big loss...

Wouldn’t be surprised if Tricket calls it a day in these games - I think he’s -EV all things considered
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04-29-2018 , 09:13 AM
Tricket's KKK6 hand was one of the most butchered hands of poker I've ever seen, closely followed by Leon's TJ turn tiny raise and river check
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04-29-2018 , 11:24 AM
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Originally Posted by dingdongdonkey
Leon is such a piece of ****.

Guy is up $2,8m and still he bitches and moans for 5 minutes plus over losing a pot which might have been worth $100k or so.

Rob called $30k pre with A842 and Leon just can´t stop talking about that.

Who the **** does he think he is?
To be fair Leon did comment that he was mostly just filling the silence because they were on tv.
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04-29-2018 , 11:26 AM
I am currently playing aussie matt at .25 heads plo on partypoker i am up 10 buy ins...
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04-29-2018 , 11:56 AM
Sam Trickett isn't making some fairly obvious strategy adjustments for the line up he's playing against in this game.

It is possible that he doesn't know what the adjustments are (but I doubt it as I've seen him holding his own and often come out on top at $25/$50, $50/$100 and $100/$200 PLO against much stronger line ups on line), or more likely his game has been dragged down to the level of some of his opponents a bit like can happen in golf where if you are a good player but your playing partner or partners are playing shocking it can affect your own game and drag it down towards their level.

The other possibility I guess is that he might be part or full backed in the game with the proviso that he plays very loose (and sometimes bad), because the mark, or marks, in the game will provide him and his backer with a very likely juicy net profit between them.
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04-29-2018 , 12:08 PM
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Originally Posted by SageDonkey
Sam Trickett isn't making some fairly obvious strategy adjustments for the line up he's playing against in this game.

It is possible that he doesn't know what the adjustments are (but I doubt it as I've seen him holding his own and often come out on top at $25/$50, $50/$100 and $100/$200 PLO against much stronger line ups on line), or more likely his game has been dragged down to the level of some of his opponents a bit like can happen in golf where if you are a good player but your playing partner or partners are playing shocking it can affect your own game and drag it down towards their level.

The other possibility I guess is that he might be part or full backed in the game with the proviso that he plays very loose (and sometimes bad), because the mark, or marks, in the game will provide him and his backer with a very likely juicy net profit between them.
How about that if he makes the adjustments you probably are thinking of, which would greatly increase his winrate in a game like that, the other guys would notice and start giving him **** and eventually not want him in the game?

If those guys see him fold a suited A*** or 8845 or 3456 or KJ95 from the HJ they'll instantly take great notice of that, trust me
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04-29-2018 , 12:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Loctus
How about that if he makes the adjustments you probably are thinking of, which would greatly increase his winrate in a game like that, the other guys would notice and start giving him **** and eventually not want him in the game?

If those guys see him fold a suited A*** or 8845 or 3456 or KJ95 from the HJ they'll instantly take great notice of that, trust me
It could be that yes, that he may be playing 100% with his own money so wants to play loose to fit into the game and be welcomed back.

However, some of his play has been worse than this IMO. It's possible to play very loose and give people a spin but still avoid the biggest of errors, meaning you are giving the impression of playing super loose but unbeknown to your opponents you are doing it in a very calculated way.

I didn't watch all 30 hours or whatever it was, but the parts that I did see I saw him play worse than simply playing loose and giving people a spin.

I'm pretty sure I also saw him pass 8875ds against a single raise pre, or it may have been a 3 bet but if it was a 3 bet they were really deep. It was an auto call either way.

So that play wasn't great regardless of any other factors of keeping the recs happy etc. 8875ds is a call under any circumstances playing deep and short handed and has even more value against a weak line up.
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04-29-2018 , 01:08 PM
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Originally Posted by SageDonkey
s 8875ds is a call under any circumstances playing deep and short handed and has even more value against a weak line up.
lol. no just no.
flopping worse set's, worse wrap's, worse flushes...... sounds great.
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04-29-2018 , 01:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Cassim
lol. no just no.
flopping worse set's, worse wrap's, worse flushes...... sounds great.
88 with *weak* side cards is a trap hand, with strong connecting and flushing side cards it is not.

The more multi way it goes to the flop, the less value it has, for the reasons you stated.

If very multi way (4 or more players to to the flop) and stacks are shallow then its value decreases even further as you'll often be equity committed to a lot of flops, having a low SPR, and be getting it in bad.

However, none of the above were the case in the hand in question.

It was short handed and deep stacked.

8875ds is also just high enough a group of cards to dominate players holding slightly lower similar in profile hands like 6654ds or ss, so this in the long run can cancel out the reverse implied odds of sometimes being up against T987ds/J997ss etc

It was such a nailed on call, I would call 100% of the time in that spot and I am on the tight side with which hands I play pre flop.
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04-29-2018 , 02:25 PM
Guys like Leon and rob certainly love to gamble, but they didn't get rich by being stupid. They are much smarter/ cunning than they look.

Personally i think this sort of looks like a long con. They were playing 20-30bb short stacked PLO (very small edges) at stakes only Leon and rob can afford... against 2 "pros" with huge egos. Kirk went off the ****ing rails and Sam was clearly uncomfortable at the stakes and played bad.

The wolf knew what was going on and bounced and Kirk and Sam stayed out of tilt/ entitlement/ greed when it was probably neutral ev at best to play.
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04-29-2018 , 02:48 PM
why on earth would you think Kirk is a professional poker player? Have you ever seen him play?

that being said, agreed on the rest, Sam did seem a bit uncomfortable playing this high
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04-29-2018 , 04:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Tutejszy
why on earth would you think Kirk is a professional poker player? Have you ever seen him play?

that being said, agreed on the rest, Sam did seem a bit uncomfortable playing this high
probably say the same thing about durrrr.
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