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Leon Tsoukernik subpoenad - stiffed Aussie Matt and Elton Tsang for millions Leon Tsoukernik subpoenad - stiffed Aussie Matt and Elton Tsang for millions

11-23-2017 , 11:29 PM
He could be back in two days. But maybe not. Up to him.
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11-24-2017 , 06:30 AM
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Originally Posted by PTLou
yes, eerily similar.

sort of shocked any casino under even the most basic regulatory would allow owner to participate in any game.

other than that... others please continue with the mud slinging and claims of fake news.

an apple is just an apple.
Sounds like you might have a Claude Raines' "shocked" moment below:

Nevada expressly exempts owners who wish to play poker in heir own casino from the otherwise general ban on owners gambling in their own joint:

Regulation 5.013
Gaming by, and issuance of gaming credit to, owners, directors, officers, and employees.
1.
Except as provided in subsection 2, no officer, director, owner or key employee of an entity which holds a gaming license in this state,
or of an affiliate or an affiliated company of an entity which holds a
gaming license in this state, shall play or place a wager at any gambling game, slot machine, race book or sports pool which is exposed to the public for play or wagering:
(a) By that gaming licensee; or
(b) By an affiliate or an affiliated company of that gaming licensee.

2.
Subsection 1 shall not apply to the playing of or wagering on poker,
panguingui or off track parimutuel wagering
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11-24-2017 , 08:03 AM
This has all the hallmarks of a real life, modern day Jarndyce v Jarndyce.
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11-24-2017 , 09:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Gzesh
Sounds like you might have a Claude Raines' "shocked" moment below:

Nevada expressly exempts owners who wish to play poker in heir own casino from the otherwise general ban on owners gambling in their own joint:
damn. I am shocked. Get the house bank vs player bank thing , but still wonder why they carved it out ? Maybe Some poker loving, casino owner at the time regs were originally written had some serious juice with NGCB.

not gonna lie... had to google the Claude Raines reference, pretty funny.
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11-24-2017 , 03:13 PM
It is very common for the owner to play from time to time in the region (espicially in austria). Usually we are talking about small cardrooms and there might be a need for a bad player to get the game started.
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11-24-2017 , 11:21 PM
Showing up to case could be fun
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11-29-2017 , 03:15 AM
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Originally Posted by DavaiNikolai
Leon is boss.

End of story.
If by boss you mean a welcher then sure
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02-28-2018 , 08:38 PM
$10 million Tsoukernik countersuit against Matt Kirk is dismissed by District Judge Linda Bell.

https://www.pokernews.com/news/2018/...t=pn-hp-hero-1
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02-28-2018 , 10:23 PM
was wondering what happened with this...amazing how stories just kinda fizzle out eventually and it's business as usual
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03-02-2018 , 11:32 PM
I am really late, but i have a real life.

Soo.. i dont know anymore who the one was who ate at the table and went out of the room to smalltalk a lil bit, (read many articles very quickl) , but...

“my wife is here...“ could be an old trick..
If the germans really played for leon #staked
my q..would b
.who was the first who suggested to go out of the room
The dude himself who played vs. 3?
Or one of the germans?
Cause if it was one of the germans.... the whole “lets do smalltalk after lunch ouside the room“ was just an exit-strategy
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03-02-2018 , 11:42 PM
And ps. I wouldnt trust leon anytime.
Or wait...as eventmanager ok,.host for official events ok,
but not as pokerplayer without cash in real
i wouldnt borrow him money,
i wouldnt borrow money from him..
and ofcourse i wouldnt play vs him if he plays
Vs u with 2 of his staked dogs, “friends“, players,

good morning
Доброе утро
taeao lelei
早上好

Last edited by ihatewonderbras; 03-02-2018 at 11:48 PM.
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04-26-2018 , 11:10 PM
Hmm. So on PAD right now matt and leon in the same game, commentators said it was worked out?
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04-27-2018 , 03:09 AM
https://youtu.be/vBZSKkwm6Ko

Link to the game.... strange watching them play after all the legal action BS.
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04-27-2018 , 03:33 AM
They seem to get along quite well tho.
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04-28-2018 , 02:07 AM
Leon and Matt currently playing on Partypoker live stream. did the settle the case?
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04-28-2018 , 02:11 AM
leon just busted him.
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04-28-2018 , 02:12 AM
leon just loaned him 100k. i wonder if this is old video.
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04-28-2018 , 02:12 AM
they're playing again together in the partypoker big game on partypokertv. Leon actually just loaned Kirk 100K after busting him - wtf??

How does he continue to get invited into these big games - he's shown that he's an extremely shady individual. Are people really just foaming at the mouth to play with him? Can't see any other good reason for anyone to gamble with him. I understand Leon is probably one of the spots in the game but he certainly does not play PLO that poorly and he's obviously not afraid to gamboool.
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04-28-2018 , 02:18 AM
leon busted him again. 500k. sam trinket was guarantor.
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04-28-2018 , 02:48 AM
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Originally Posted by GutPunch
they're playing again together in the partypoker big game on partypokertv. Leon actually just loaned Kirk 100K after busting him - wtf??

How does he continue to get invited into these big games - he's shown that he's an extremely shady individual. Are people really just foaming at the mouth to play with him? Can't see any other good reason for anyone to gamble with him. I understand Leon is probably one of the spots in the game but he certainly does not play PLO that poorly and he's obviously not afraid to gamboool.
lmao. Trust me buddy, leon is a massive spot. Just because he's not brain dead and punting every hand doesnt mean he isn't making very big mistakes.

He has tons of $ and is willing to gamble -- he will be a staple in every big game despite that shady **** he pulled on kirk
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04-28-2018 , 02:55 AM
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Originally Posted by GutPunch
they're playing again together in the partypoker big game on partypokertv. Leon actually just loaned Kirk 100K after busting him - wtf??

How does he continue to get invited into these big games - he's shown that he's an extremely shady individual. Are people really just foaming at the mouth to play with him? Can't see any other good reason for anyone to gamble with him. I understand Leon is probably one of the spots in the game but he certainly does not play PLO that poorly and he's obviously not afraid to gamboool.
He is not great at PLO IMO, doesn't understand (or maybe understands but chooses to ignore) some of the basic fundamentals of starting hand selection, position, and stack size dynamics.

His post flop play isn't as big a weakness as his pre flop game because pots are often very inflated pre when he is in a hand so SPRs are low and many hands play themselves, but he is still giving away an edge to competent and good players post flop.

I do like the way he plays the game in respect of him creating action, going with his reads and playing fearless poker but as I've mentioned on other threads, a little bit of coaching would make his high variance style of PLO play far more effective and a lot harder to play against than it currently is.
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04-28-2018 , 02:57 AM
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Originally Posted by GutPunch
they're playing again together in the partypoker big game on partypokertv. Leon actually just loaned Kirk 100K after busting him - wtf??

How does he continue to get invited into these big games - he's shown that he's an extremely shady individual. Are people really just foaming at the mouth to play with him? Can't see any other good reason for anyone to gamble with him. I understand Leon is probably one of the spots in the game but he certainly does not play PLO that poorly and he's obviously not afraid to gamboool.
Leon does play PLO poorly, and the Mr Rob dude who's in that game is atrocious. They're playing 2k straddle every hand now, do some math on what an actual normal winrate in that game means lol....
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04-28-2018 , 03:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Loctus
Leon does play PLO poorly, and the Mr Rob dude who's in that game is atrocious. They're playing 2k straddle every hand now, do some math on what an actual normal winrate in that game means lol....
I think Rob Yong is decent at PLO and plays a more effective and dangerous version of high variance PLO than Leon.

It wouldn't surprise me if Rob is a net winner at PLO in these high stakes games because although he might not understand all of the technical stuff I think he understands enough to win by using his bigger bank roll, lack of fear and some live reads skills to steal equity from opponents in a lot of hands and to not give up his own equity very easily to opponents.

The players who are "better" than him I assure you are not that comfortable playing against his particular style of play, nor are they immune from losing their level of play or even tilting if he goes on a heater whilst playing what they might consider to be less than GTO in some pots.
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04-28-2018 , 03:11 AM
Yeah as far as rec/businessmen go, Rob ain't half bad.

I'd give a similar analysis of Matt Kirk -- although he plays just horrid, he's likely a winner bcuz he gets to play with whales all the time
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04-28-2018 , 03:21 AM
Leon does not play that poorly and Rob might be a net winner. I guess that Tricket is the one losing then

PLO definitely is the perfect game for this though, ofc. I can't recall who said it but it was some HS crusher (I believe it might have been sauce?), something along the lines of: "PLO is a great game for fish. NLHE these days must be terrible, you would just almost literally never win a single hand if you're the mark. In PLO you can just cold 4b anything and be like 45/55 vs aces"

And "the long run" barely exists in live PLO due to hands/hr and the variance, even with the huge edges to be had...

edit: and just as I write this out Leon gets it in 3way pre crushing Matt Kirk and 2nd guy for half a mill.. Damn it, Leon, play along here.

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