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Old 11-17-2017, 12:54 PM   #526
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Re: Leon Tsoukernik

I have heard this from a number of players who have played on their cash game stream table in the past. He is not to be trusted.
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Old 11-17-2017, 01:59 PM   #527
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Re: Leon Tsoukernik

As I mentioned in the other thread, I don't have any proof and I never played with him personally, but I heard stuff like that from multiple independent sources before, so I'm guessing it's not all made up
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Old 11-17-2017, 02:15 PM   #528
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I know there is already a post on Leon but I feel as many people need to know this as possible.

Leon is a cheat and a thief. This is a well known, widespread and accepted fact in the high-stakes poker community. It is not said publicly because people are afraid of Leon.

Leon is a winner in high-stakes games at his Kings Casino and in heads up matches there. He losses big everywhere else he plays. Three big-name well respected players have told large numbers of high stakes players that they were cheated by Leon at Kings Casino. The most famous of these players said he is afraid to talk publicly about it due to fear of physical harm.

Leon along with Martin Kabhrel were suspected of cheating this year at the super high roller bowl. Martin was granted special privileges and allowed to hover over the tables Leon was playing at. With only two tables left several players at Leon's table felt Leon played perfectly vs them when Martin was standing behind them. One of the players noticed Martin appeared to be signaling to Leon. The tournament staff was notified of this and Martin was removed from the area. At the final table many players did not want to show their cards to the RFID scanners for fear Leon had comprised them.

Leon was staking two players at the final table of the WSOP little one for one drop this year. Players complained some cards were marked and new decks were brought in. These decks were marked in the exact same way. Players could identify what some cards were from the markings. Play was paused for over an hour while unmarked RFID cards were found. Leon was on the rail for this entire final table.

Leon invited Elton Tsang to a game he organized. Leon had 90% of two of the players in the world in this game (how Fedor is never questioned about this game I do not know). He lost big and refused to pay, claiming he was taken advantage of? Seems like his plan was to take advantage of Elton.

Ty Stewart of the WSOP was personally informed of these cheating allegations ahead of WSOP Europe by multiple people. He said he was aware of them but felt confident he could ensure the honesty of the event. It is unbelievable that Ceaser's took Leon's money, partnered with him and gave him credibility. They should be held accountable when Leon inevitably gets caught cheating (or something much worse happens).

Hopefully some of the people involved in the above events come forward and verify them or this gets picked up by a reporter. Having Leon pumped up as a legitimate person in the poker world is going to damage the entire industry and bring poker back to an era that should of been left behind.
Quite a lot of accusations there...maybe you'd like to put your name to them? Elton Tsang did with his, Matt Kirk did too, and Leon Tsoukernik also did so last week.
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Old 11-17-2017, 04:58 PM   #529
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Re: Leon Tsoukernik subpoenad - stiffed Aussie Matt and Elton Tsang for millions

Typical high stakes poker world drama ....Two scumbags trying to out scumbag each other.


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Old 11-17-2017, 10:36 PM   #530
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Re: Leon Tsoukernik subpoenad - stiffed Aussie Matt and Elton Tsang for millions

Lawyers gonna win this hand
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Old Yesterday, 06:57 AM   #531
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Re: Leon Tsoukernik subpoenad - stiffed Aussie Matt and Elton Tsang for millions

Why would anyone play against the owner of a casino at his own casino? Especially in a basically law-free country (in that regard) when the owner got his wealth through at best questionable means.

That's just retarded.
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Old Yesterday, 08:24 AM   #532
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Re: Leon Tsoukernik subpoenad - stiffed Aussie Matt and Elton Tsang for millions

What is Aussie Matt's nickname when he plays a home game in Australia.
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Old Yesterday, 09:34 AM   #533
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Re: Leon Tsoukernik subpoenad - stiffed Aussie Matt and Elton Tsang for millions

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Why would anyone play against the owner of a casino at his own casino? Especially in a basically law-free country (in that regard) when the owner got his wealth through at best questionable means.

That's just retarded.
SHRB and Tsoukernik v Kirk were in Vegas, Tsoukernik vs Tsang was in Barcelona. Do please keep up.

Interested in the 'law-free' Czech gambling and 'questionable means' though - feel free to enlighten us
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Old Yesterday, 10:29 AM   #534
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Re: Leon Tsoukernik subpoenad - stiffed Aussie Matt and Elton Tsang for millions

As poker players we all know there are only three things that can happen. Win, lose, or chop.

1. Loan LT $3mil, he plays like crap, pays you what he owes you. = win
2. Loan LT $3mil, he makes a come back to even and quits = chop
3. Loan LT $3mil, he gets hot and wins that back plus more = lose
4. Loan LT $3mil, he plays like crap and doesn't pay you back = lose

An old man told me long ago the reason he NEVER loaned, '...why, so they can beat you with your own money?...'
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Old Yesterday, 10:53 AM   #535
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Re: Leon Tsoukernik subpoenad - stiffed Aussie Matt and Elton Tsang for millions

btw, I just remembered the whole thing with Bonomo not showing his hole cards during shr bowl ft stream. Not saying this confirms what thetruth20 is saying, but it would appear that many pros feel the same way about Leon.
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Old Yesterday, 11:21 AM   #536
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Re: Leon Tsoukernik subpoenad - stiffed Aussie Matt and Elton Tsang for millions

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Why would anyone play against the owner of a casino at his own casino?
reminds me of the one time WPT Turks and Caicos from 2007.

http://www.cardplayer.com/poker-news/2794-rhynie-campbell-wins-wpt-turks-and-caicos-poker-classic

Rynie owned the local casino and provided most or all of the. dealers for this event.

I made a vaca out of this so went down to play.

played cash game in his casino a few days before the event. It was me, Rhynie and a table full of locals. At some point Rhynie talked me into playing heads up. I was having fun and it was for cheeseburgers so really didnt care about the possible obvious angle.

But after a few rounds was pretty clear there was no way I was going win against him playing in his casino with his dealers. so said good night and left. he was just tooooo good and made some crazy thin calls always at the right time.

fast forward to WPT a few days later,

Dude ends up shipping the whole thing for $436,000 on HIS island with HIS dealers a few days later.

Only 137 players so probably just dumb luck / coincidence. dunno.

I did get the enjoyment of stacking Antonio in level 4, bye bye gg, that alone made the whole trip worth it
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Old Yesterday, 03:12 PM   #537
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Re: Leon Tsoukernik subpoenad - stiffed Aussie Matt and Elton Tsang for millions

I remember doug being 4 handed at a final table and someone mentioned that the cards were marked and doug seemed to be like, eh, it's no big deal, lets switch it out... I am too tired now to look for it. This is in the last year I believe, somewhere on a stream. It was a highstakes mtt final table. I definitely may have forgotten exactly what words he used, but I think I'm close. It's interesting if I remembered it correctly, someone will have to help me out and fetch that coverage plz, I have no idea where to start looking. I am hoping someone watched it recently and can find it quickly.

There is just too much money on the line, someone is going to want to win every hand, and all the money. Add in the bots and there is not much money to be made anymore, except for untracked euro sites(obv).
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Old Yesterday, 04:07 PM   #538
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Re: Leon Tsoukernik subpoenad - stiffed Aussie Matt and Elton Tsang for millions

Some people maybe started to believe leons story because Richard Yong backed his story and most people say he is to be trusted, but he must just be another one paid or intimidated from Leon, if I remember correctly he was the same person who introduced Elton tsang into the game that had jungleman and another German pro who Leon had 90% of....

Also it sure sounds like the writer (hedgecock) is backing Leon even though basically everyone else confirms he is a scammer and cheat by many

How much did he pay you to post this article ? Did he threaten your family too ?

Why are you the only one believe him and who think Elton is a criminal ? Lol have you even met him ?
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Old Yesterday, 04:14 PM   #539
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Quite a lot of accusations there...maybe you'd like to put your name to them? Elton Tsang did with his, Matt Kirk did too, and Leon Tsoukernik also did so last week.
Not to mention that we have seen all the hands from that tourney, and he certainly did not play perfectly. Garbage accusations.
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Old Yesterday, 04:17 PM   #540
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Re: Leon Tsoukernik subpoenad - stiffed Aussie Matt and Elton Tsang for millions

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I remember doug being 4 handed at a final table and someone mentioned that the cards were marked and doug seemed to be like, eh, it's no big deal, lets switch it out... I am too tired now to look for it. This is in the last year I believe, somewhere on a stream. It was a highstakes mtt final table. I definitely may have forgotten exactly what words he used, but I think I'm close. It's interesting if I remembered it correctly, someone will have to help me out and fetch that coverage plz, I have no idea where to start looking. I am hoping someone watched it recently and can find it quickly.

There is just too much money on the line, someone is going to want to win every hand, and all the money. Add in the bots and there is not much money to be made anymore, except for untracked euro sites(obv).
It was the One Drop and you may have completely forgotten more than just the exact words.
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Old Yesterday, 04:35 PM   #541
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Re: Leon Tsoukernik subpoenad - stiffed Aussie Matt and Elton Tsang for millions

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I remember doug being 4 handed at a final table and someone mentioned that the cards were marked and doug seemed to be like, eh, it's no big deal, lets switch it out... I am too tired now to look for it. This is in the last year I believe, somewhere on a stream. It was a highstakes mtt final table. I definitely may have forgotten exactly what words he used, but I think I'm close. It's interesting if I remembered it correctly, someone will have to help me out and fetch that coverage plz, I have no idea where to start looking. I am hoping someone watched it recently and can find it quickly.

There is just too much money on the line, someone is going to want to win every hand, and all the money. Add in the bots and there is not much money to be made anymore, except for untracked euro sites(obv).
Have you ever played a WSOP event? Cards are marked everywhere all the time. No matter if it's one drop or a random $1500 event.

I remember one time somebody complained about marked cards, deck got switched and less than 5 hands later I noticed one of my cards already had a mark and I was thinking "cool, ace" before even looking at them.
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Old Yesterday, 05:17 PM   #542
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Re: Leon Tsoukernik subpoenad - stiffed Aussie Matt and Elton Tsang for millions

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Some people maybe started to believe leons story because Richard Yong backed his story and most people say he is to be trusted, but he must just be another one paid or intimidated from Leon, if I remember correctly he was the same person who introduced Elton tsang into the game that had jungleman and another German pro who Leon had 90% of....

Also it sure sounds like the writer (hedgecock) is backing Leon even though basically everyone else confirms he is a scammer and cheat by many

How much did he pay you to post this article ? Did he threaten your family too ?

Why are you the only one believe him and who think Elton is a criminal ? Lol have you even met him ?
Way to go troll! You can't even get ROB Yong's name right (Richard Yong is a completely different person) so why would we think you have anything else worth listening to on this story?

The article was based on the lawsuit and if you bothered to look at my previous articles about Tsang, Kirk and Tsoukernik you'll see they all get their share of 'negative reviews'.

The main thing, though, is you clearly have no idea about anything connected to this case and yet still have an opinion? That's modern humans for you though!

PS. TheTruth20 who posted this week is almost certainly Tsang himself
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Old Today, 12:18 AM   #543
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Re: Leon Tsoukernik subpoenad - stiffed Aussie Matt and Elton Tsang for millions

Ok w/e your views sound very biased and you seem to ignore anything negative about Leon and said before he sent many fiends to you whatever that means lol!!

Elton hosted a card game in Hong Kong which some how makes him as bad as a scammer and a cheat eventhoUgh u have no proof he did anything!! And what’s wrong with Kirk ? Never heard anything negative except from you and Leon!!! Lol

He just wants to get paid the money that was stolen!! Same as Elton...and probably many more
Seriously gtfo
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Old Today, 12:29 AM   #544
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Re: Leon Tsoukernik subpoenad - stiffed Aussie Matt and Elton Tsang for millions

Were you compensated in anyway to write the article ??
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Old Today, 02:21 AM   #545
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Re: Leon Tsoukernik subpoenad - stiffed Aussie Matt and Elton Tsang for millions

Cannot wait for first accusation of Russian meddling.
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Old Today, 07:56 AM   #546
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Re: Leon Tsoukernik subpoenad - stiffed Aussie Matt and Elton Tsang for millions

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Ok w/e your views sound very biased and you seem to ignore anything negative about Leon and said before he sent many fiends to you whatever that means lol!!

Elton hosted a card game in Hong Kong which some how makes him as bad as a scammer and a cheat eventhoUgh u have no proof he did anything!! And what’s wrong with Kirk ? Never heard anything negative except from you and Leon!!! Lol

He just wants to get paid the money that was stolen!! Same as Elton...and probably many more
Seriously gtfo
It's up to Leon Tsoukernik to convince people he isn't at fault/ a scammer/whatever, not me. I may pop over to Rozvadov and interview him and am happy to ask difficult questions of the man.

It's up to Elton Tsang to explain how being convicted of running an illegal cardroom in Hong Kong matches with his 'innocent kid' routine, not me.

It's up to Matt Kirk to explain why he apparently accepted a deal and who it was who told him not to if Leon/Rob Yong's stories are to be believed.

I write and report on whatever takes my or poker fans' interest and I get compensated for every article I write - 984 of them at last count. It's called writing for a living.

Anyway, that's enough time spent on you...if you have something useful to add I'd be very surprised. You come across as a typical troll who has made their mind up about everything already, but I won't be indulging you any further.
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Old Today, 02:08 PM   #547
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Re: Leon Tsoukernik subpoenad - stiffed Aussie Matt and Elton Tsang for millions

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reminds me of the one time WPT Turks and Caicos from 2007.

http://www.cardplayer.com/poker-news/2794-rhynie-campbell-wins-wpt-turks-and-caicos-poker-classic

Rynie owned the local casino and provided most or all of the. dealers for this event.

I made a vaca out of this so went down to play.

played cash game in his casino a few days before the event. It was me, Rhynie and a table full of locals. At some point Rhynie talked me into playing heads up. I was having fun and it was for cheeseburgers so really didnt care about the possible obvious angle.

But after a few rounds was pretty clear there was no way I was going win against him playing in his casino with his dealers. so said good night and left. he was just tooooo good and made some crazy thin calls always at the right time.

fast forward to WPT a few days later,

Dude ends up shipping the whole thing for $436,000 on HIS island with HIS dealers a few days later.

Only 137 players so probably just dumb luck / coincidence. dunno.

I did get the enjoyment of stacking Antonio in level 4, bye bye gg, that alone made the whole trip worth it
Sounds like the WPT Event in 2002 in Costa Rica, where two of the Final 3 players in the Main Event separately would later go on to be sentenced to prison for different frauds, including the host casino owner. (The eventual winner, by far the best player of the three, was neither of the fraudsters.)

Did not play in the event personally, but I eventually played against each of the three on numerous occasions. Fun times in CR.
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