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Leon Tsoukernik subpoenad - stiffed Aussie Matt and Elton Tsang for millions Leon Tsoukernik subpoenad - stiffed Aussie Matt and Elton Tsang for millions

07-13-2017 , 09:49 PM
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Originally Posted by billstraightener
Viffer tweeted something saying roughly along the lines that it was questionable Aussie Matt was chasing people for money when he himself owed people. The tweets are deleted now. Viffer mentioned to get in contact with his lawyer. :shrug:
iirc he wrote it's ironic Aussie Matt is using lawyers to collect a debt when he using lawyers to avoid paying debt or something like that
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07-14-2017 , 01:04 AM
Yeah pretty ironic that people in free societies governed by laws use lawyers to protect themselves.
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07-14-2017 , 01:15 AM
Maybe Leon is acting as an enforcer and just taking this money to pay out Matt's debts.
Or he decided Matt was a ***** based on hearing that he owed people money.
Or maybe he just flat decided to punk him.

I can't ever remember something like this happening where someone got sued in these type of scenarios. It was always the unwritten rule that you didn't out this type of stuff until all else was exhausted.

I assume everything was on camera so it will be interesting to see if anything comes of this.
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07-14-2017 , 05:01 AM
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Originally Posted by jacksenv2k
Iam pretty sure he wont get invited to the private games after this and wont get any money anywhere when he wants to play.
I doubt it gonna be good for the other businesses he is having to.
given the last 5 years i spent reading twoplustwo, i highly highly highly doubt that you are right!!
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07-14-2017 , 05:39 AM
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Originally Posted by HelloFriends
iirc he wrote it's ironic Aussie Matt is using lawyers to collect a debt when he using lawyers to avoid paying debt or something like that
Yes this summary is better than mine, I only vaguely remembered plus the tweets were deleted which probably means viffers lawyer told him to take them down
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07-16-2017 , 05:16 PM
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Originally Posted by uradoodooface
Why the **** would you lend someone that amount of money? It's a pain in the ass collecting $40 sometimes. Poker players are half tards when it comes to lending money lol.

Very simple; You lend the money to get the action. He was playing heads-up and leon was willing to continue playing, Matt knew he was in a good spot. he lent him the money, so he could win it from him.
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07-24-2017 , 03:07 AM
Update?
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07-24-2017 , 07:42 PM
Still a scumbag
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07-26-2017 , 01:09 AM
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Originally Posted by skudroc
given the last 5 years i spent reading twoplustwo, i highly highly highly doubt that you are right!!
Given the action from Aussie Matt on the 2015 SHRB I highly highly highly doubt this also
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08-03-2017 , 03:28 AM


Maybe the timestamp isn't exact, but it's around there that they discuss this. Joey says he has some insides and spills the beans..
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08-03-2017 , 04:44 AM
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Originally Posted by joey716
Very simple; You lend the money to get the action. He was playing heads-up and leon was willing to continue playing, Matt knew he was in a good spot. he lent him the money, so he could win it from him.
This is some scumbag pretetory behaviour. Just pure greed in my opinion. Doesnt suprise me this is common practice in poker.

Sounds like a great way to reverse freeroll youself. You may win more chips but you may never get the money. Or your opponent runs hot and wins your money back with your money. jfc.
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08-03-2017 , 07:03 AM
Seeing what a scumbag this guy is, maybe Bonomo's claims about him were not so absurd after all
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08-03-2017 , 07:46 AM
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Originally Posted by vrael111
Seeing what a scumbag this guy is, maybe Bonomo's claims about him were not so absurd after all
I don't even know who the scumbag is at this point, lol, love this game.
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08-03-2017 , 09:58 AM
Well there you have it Joey knows all, Matt KNEW he was in a good spot so lent him the money to win it all back.

Yeah sounds about right except Matt probably thought he was in a good spot the day before when he LOST 1.5m to Leon, which apparently he paid.

The way I read it is Leon was IN the Good Spot as he never had any intentions of paying Matt so he didnt give a ***, but Joey knows best. So of the 1.5 m Leon won the day before he still kept 500k of that as well or am I wrong again.
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08-03-2017 , 11:07 AM
According to JRB - He played Leon 300/600 this summer and lost $1.5M to him while Leon was drunk.
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08-03-2017 , 12:05 PM
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Originally Posted by elendil200
I don't even know who the scumbag is at this point, lol, love this game.
haha, true
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08-03-2017 , 12:06 PM
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Originally Posted by sump
According to JRB - He played Leon 300/600 this summer and lost $1.5M to him while Leon was drunk.
How the hell do you lose 25 bi's over one live session that was probably <200 hands. To another whale
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08-03-2017 , 12:49 PM
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Originally Posted by elendil200
This is some scumbag pretetory behaviour. Just pure greed in my opinion. Doesnt suprise me this is common practice in poker.

Sounds like a great way to reverse freeroll youself. You may win more chips but you may never get the money. Or your opponent runs hot and wins your money back with your money. jfc.
Please clarify something ....

Did the "loan" consist of simply pushing over $1.0 million in chips and then continuing play?

If so, I would not be surprised at a final outcome if this proceeds to judgment of "No loan, because you cannot "loan" chips, they can only be used for gaming purposes; chips can't be "walked" and used for any purpose other thn gaming, you can loan money but doubt you can loan casino chips.

(In a case from NJ, the "not-yet-POTUS' owned a casino which borrowed $2 million from his Dad and gave him chips as collateral. After bankruptcy, Trump's Dad sought priority for cashing in his chips, instead of collecting on the debt)

Presumably, Mat won back the chips and cashed out, so the "freeroll" aspect is all his at this point.

Both sides have an incentive to settle, but, ironically, Mat may be risking the most. Don't bet against Leon's lawyer in this.

The gaming licensee who allowed this "chips loan" transaction also may have some" 'splainin' to do".
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08-04-2017 , 09:32 PM
Any new participant statements?
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08-04-2017 , 10:05 PM
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Originally Posted by vrael111
How the hell do you lose 25 bi's over one live session that was probably <200 hands. To another whale

Elendil200 misquoted the article. The way it actually reads sounds like they were playing much higher stakes when JRB lost the 1.5 million.

"During the WSOP, I played $300/$600 almost every day. I had a great beginning to the summer, but we played an enormous game with that guy Leon [Tsoukernik], and he beat me in every hand when he was drunk, and I lost about $1,500,000."
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08-06-2017 , 08:56 AM
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Originally Posted by H0RUS
you are putting too much stock in poker players. sheldon anderson still has poker players gambling it up in his casinos despite him spending millions to ban online poker. Also Leon most likely makes most of his money from people playing -ev house games, any business he loses from "poker players" will be a drop in the bucket.
Come on the casino is such an obvious front. They don't care at all if they make money. The business isn't there to make money, it is there to clean money.
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08-07-2017 , 02:36 AM
He does it again and again- Cyprus- Barcelona-Vegas. Always millions.
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08-07-2017 , 03:17 AM
what did he do in cyprus?
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08-07-2017 , 05:46 AM
Lost in casino games on credit
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