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Old 02-03-2009, 08:30 PM   #251
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Re: leatherass runs bad :(

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i know it might seem 'elitist' or false because poker logic doesn't always equal real life logic, but isn't aejones' argument pretty solid?
no, its the exact opposite of solid, its called appealing to authority and it has no logical bearing. just a cheap ass rhetoric trick employed by ppl with no arguments.
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Old 02-03-2009, 08:32 PM   #252
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I find it hard to believe that all the regs who are playing each other have the sole motivation of 'trying to keep games going until a fish shows up.' Some are too lazy to go fish-hunting and just feel like gambling even if the line-up isn't that worthwhile. Wouldn't surprise me if most were using the logic, "well, I'm probably break-even against this line-up anyway and I feel like playing so I'll just stay" while maybe the 1 or 2 slightly better ones know they are at a slight advantage because they are playing un-scary or un-creative regs.
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Old 02-03-2009, 08:38 PM   #253
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no, its the exact opposite of solid, its called appealing to authority and it has no logical bearing. just a cheap ass rhetoric trick employed by ppl with no arguments.
so do you disagree with MTblue?

do you also disagree that the people who actually play in the same games of leatherass have more ground to hate on him for his table antics because they actually experience it first hand?
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Old 02-03-2009, 08:40 PM   #254
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Re: leatherass runs bad :(

lol no. of course it would be a problem if everyone behaved like leatherass. does that automatically mean leatherass is doing something wrong? NO.

i mean what the **** are u even suggesting? that we ban non-regs from taking shots at soft games?!?
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Old 02-03-2009, 08:43 PM   #255
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yeah because he is hunting bumbs playing 2 of the best players in the world. you are an idiot.
Jeez Tom.
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Old 02-03-2009, 08:43 PM   #256
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Re: leatherass runs bad :(

also no disrespect to MTBlue but if he is REALLY saying that he constantly sits in games were he knows he is -EV in, just for the remote chance a whale sits down to make the game +EV, he is FULL OF ****. HE BELIEVES HE HAS AN EDGE AND HE WOULDNT SIT IF HE DIDNT. this is the hypocrisy im talking about.
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Old 02-03-2009, 08:46 PM   #257
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It's very simple. These are the problems people have with LA:
  • Whines in his blog.
  • Cusses people out in chat, acts rude.
  • Makes arrogant boasts at 2p2 about his skills.
  • Sits out whenever the fish sits out, sits back in when the fish sits back in.
  • Never helps start games/keep games alive when things are slow.

These are all things he actually does. I don't know why people feel the need to have any sort of debate about them or him. They're facts. Whether you want to label him a bumhunter or a leech, or analogize his behavior to other things is immaterial; the above things are what make people dislike him.
Almost hate to admit it, but this.
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Old 02-03-2009, 08:56 PM   #258
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Re: leatherass runs bad :(

There is too much talk about bumhunting and not enough talk about the fact that he is, quite simply, a tool.
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Old 02-03-2009, 09:04 PM   #259
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Re: leatherass runs bad :(

Leatherass9 tries to make as much money in poker with the least swings possible, so he does what he does.

Understandable, but that doesnt mean skier etc cant be annoyed when they are playing a reg heads up, a fish sits and leatherass immediately sits to the fishes left.

point is; the fact that you understand what LA does and why he does it, doesnt mean you cant give him **** for it.
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Old 02-03-2009, 09:06 PM   #260
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btw, i think most people think he is annoying because he always acts like a tool and feels the need to say how good he is while he is pretty mediocre compared to you average hs player.
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Old 02-03-2009, 09:21 PM   #261
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Re: leatherass runs bad :(

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also no disrespect to MTBlue but if he is REALLY saying that he constantly sits in games were he knows he is -EV in, just for the remote chance a whale sits down to make the game +EV, he is FULL OF ****. HE BELIEVES HE HAS AN EDGE AND HE WOULDNT SIT IF HE DIDNT. this is the hypocrisy im talking about.
what the **** are you talking about? why is this so hard to believe? i like to start tables. i will play anyone hu to get a game going. anyone. i am certainly -ev against some people when i start games.

also, starting tables isn't the only reason i play in these -ev games. i learn from those who are better than me. it helps me improve as a player. i also enjoy challenging myself in these games.

i still game select. if there are a bunch of 50bb games going that aren't full and none need to be started, i'll jump on the tables that look the best. but if tables need to be started i'm always down to do it.
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Old 02-03-2009, 09:45 PM   #262
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Re: leatherass runs bad :(

skimmed through this thread but basically LOL.

you guys are all ****ing hypocrites. all the regs who hate on leatherass, leatherass himself, everyone; you're all ridiculous hypocrites.

it is absolutely hilarious that people who make poker training videos, use table ratings type sites, read every post on 2p2, to a lesser extent use PT/HEM, etc etc, can call LA a hypocrite. i don't really feel like i need to explain that statement to anyone with a brain so i'm not gonna bother. but really, get a ****ing grip.
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Old 02-03-2009, 09:54 PM   #263
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Re: leatherass runs bad :(

i don't think that it is necc for us to be perfectly logical and rational in our dislike of leatherass. i think it's perfectly acceptable to hate on him w/ no more justification than has been shown in this thread.
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Old 02-03-2009, 09:58 PM   #264
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skimmed through this thread but basically LOL.

you guys are all ****ing hypocrites. all the regs who hate on leatherass, leatherass himself, everyone; you're all ridiculous hypocrites.

it is absolutely hilarious that people who make poker training videos, use table ratings type sites, read every post on 2p2, to a lesser extent use PT/HEM, etc etc, can call LA a hypocrite. i don't really feel like i need to explain that statement to anyone with a brain so i'm not gonna bother. but really, get a ****ing grip.
That's quite a hypocritical post IMO.
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Old 02-03-2009, 10:09 PM   #265
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Re: leatherass runs bad :(

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skimmed through this thread but basically LOL.

you guys are all ****ing hypocrites. all the regs who hate on leatherass, leatherass himself, everyone; you're all ridiculous hypocrites.

it is absolutely hilarious that people who make poker training videos, use table ratings type sites, read every post on 2p2, to a lesser extent use PT/HEM, etc etc, can call LA a hypocrite. i don't really feel like i need to explain that statement to anyone with a brain so i'm not gonna bother. but really, get a ****ing grip.

Read the thread propererly.

FWIW, I greatly admire his poker abilities and his work ethic. I really do.

I have just yet to read a blog where I haven't wanted to punch my screen in!

I had to stop reading it!
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Old 02-03-2009, 11:54 PM   #266
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Re: leatherass runs bad :(

Maybe the fact that leatherass has made millions playing poker and still feels he runs bad would explain why he had a heart attack at such a young age. I think he was in his 20's when he had his heart attack.

He has to learn to relax and enjoy life and his money.
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Old 02-04-2009, 01:32 AM   #267
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no that makes no sense at all...

pretty sure guy laliberte or whatever fish we are talking about doesnt care if its skier5 or leatherass he is playing against, he will keep donating anyway. so the free beer wont stop coming regardless of leatherass showing up or not.
punter11235 has been right on throughout this thread.

The perfect analogy is the bar offers free beer only if 2 - 5 people have been drinking in the bar for x amount of time and the bar offers free beer at a random time in that span. But if no one is in this bar there is always a bar next door that has cheaper beer but a cheaper promotion too as long as there are 2 - 5 people in it.

So now the bar has had 5 people in it, and 5 hours in the promotion starts. Now Mr PissesInBottles hears about this from his cheaper bar and runs down for the better promotion, drinks everything up as fast as he can while the others do the same and then he leaves the very second the beer offer is up to make it back to his cheap bar. Sometimes the bar also takes a 15 minute break in the promotion and the 5 go back to paying for beer while PissesInBottles hides out learning how to piss in toilets until the promotion is back on. Sometimes some of the 5 get angry at this and do the same, then sometimes because of this the bar gets angry and cancels the promotion for that night.

Pretty easy to see why everyone would hate this guy and feel they are somehow entitled to more beer than him.

If PissesInBottles hung around for a couple more rounds of beer on him after the promotion was over he would be better liked, through him showing he understood he was taking advantage of the situation and was giving a little but not all of it back.

Obviously you can expand that saying maybe the 5 guys were all happy being there anyway so when the promotion comes along that's just a benefit for them and they shouldn't complain.

Or one of the guys was there drinking slowly as possible and sneaking away to the bathroom for the maximum amount of time but not long enough to get kicked out of the bar as to just wait for the promotion to start.

This all changes if the bar decides to offer the promotion at random times when there aren't customers about but i don't know if that is the case with our bar here.

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Old 02-04-2009, 02:00 AM   #268
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Re: leatherass runs bad :(

Why I am not a fan of Leatherass:

PoorSkillz raises to $133
Leatherass9 raises to $1,500, and is capped
PoorSkillz has 15 seconds left to act
PoorSkillz: speak and i dont waste my timebank
PoorSkillz has requested TIME
Leatherass9: tool
PoorSkillz folds

He hasn't spoken to me since...
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Old 02-04-2009, 02:14 AM   #269
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Re: leatherass runs bad :(

LA cries about being the unluckiest player in the world while taking a 40k win for the month?

I don't mind or care how he plays poker. He is just jackass/crybaby IRL. I only think its shady that doesn't play or instruct his best when he makes a video, cause he doesn't want players to be able to win like him. Just save everyones time and do not make all your BS videos, that do not represent how you really win money. LAGy in video utter nit when he actually plays.
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Old 02-04-2009, 02:19 AM   #270
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Re: leatherass runs bad :(

The arguments people make about him thinking he's better than he is are valid... as well as the arrogant attitude when you're just a bumhunter, sure. But the arguments about him leeching/bumhunting are all wrong. I mean, are people going to sit there 3 tabling with durrr/galfond at railheaven while Guy sits out just hoping he sits back in soon? Even though it's higher stakes its still the same thing in theory. Are people gonna sit down with Durrrr to get that railheaven game going on the off chance some fish sit? No, but they sure will take a shot when Gus/Guy sit.

As far as LA goes, I'm not a fanboy at all and think most of the hate people have for him is a result of his attitude which is understandable. But the rest of what he does is the same thing as mostly everyone else just on a more extreme scale.
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Old 02-04-2009, 02:21 AM   #271
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Re: leatherass runs bad :(

in pretty much any realm where humans are interacting, there are many unwritten rules that dictate how people should treat others and behave in their presence. these rules make it easier for groups of people to operate with and around others. usually, breaking these rules doesn't mean behaving immorally, or receiving official punishment. it will however, make people dislike you, and rightfully so. they are putting in the effort to make things more pleasant for others, and you are ****ing with the system.

i hate to concentrate on analogies too much because people are completely incompetent at dealing with them, but here's one:

in the societies that most or all of us live in, smelling very badly in public places is something that is not morally wrong or punishable and is well within our rights to do, but will make the lives of people around you worse and cause them not to like you. it is not expected that people follow these rules strictly causing themselves much inconvenience. a slight degree of BO won't bother most people. if you just got off a 12 hour construction job and you are stinky, people will understand. if it's really really hot outside, some BO is to be expected. but if you share a workplace with others and smell really bad every day, they will hate you. if you are in competition with those in your workplace and smell bad on purpose to improve your work and hinder theirs, that is fine and all but they will hate you even worse and call you a douchebag, and they will be RIGHT.

you can't go to jail for being even the world's largest douchebag. but it would be silly to get offended when people call you a douchebag. it would also be silly to defend the douchebag and call those that interact with the douchebaggery stupid for ridiculing him. especially when the douchebag whines about his ****ing winrate!!!!!!!

there are different unwritten rules for high stakes online poker than even other kinds of poker. leatherass is breaking these rules. sure, others are game selecting, but within reason. it's a hot ****ing day. but leatherass is a douchebag, and those that interact with him hate him, for good reason imo.

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Old 02-04-2009, 02:27 AM   #272
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lol last post is awesome
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Old 02-04-2009, 02:28 AM   #273
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As far as LA goes, I'm not a fanboy at all and think most of the hate people have for him is a result of his attitude which is understandable. But the rest of what he does is the same thing as mostly everyone else just on a more extreme scale.
Doctrine of the Mean imo
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Old 02-04-2009, 02:45 AM   #274
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Old 02-04-2009, 03:22 AM   #275
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Jay and DLizzle just owned this thread.
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