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10-04-2017 , 08:02 PM
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Originally Posted by ratslla
In one picture you see him on the floor with a rifle standing over his leg. Odds are pretty low you fall into that position after you shot yourself in the head.
I saw a handgun next to his head with blood on it, likely the weapon he swallowed.
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10-04-2017 , 08:07 PM
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Originally Posted by poonis
Absolutely. I found out last night that a friend of a friend was killed. My friend was supposed to meet up with her at the concert but her tickets got messed up somehow and she couldn't go. She's heartbroken having lost a good friend. And I could have lost her. It's just insane when it hits that close to home. I also had a client tell me that their colleague was at the concert but was okay. This is the first tragedy where I've felt this many connections to it.

That's why I thought of this forum after so long. I didn't post much, but I read enough to feel like I sort of 'knew' some posters here. And the thought that it might have affected someone here was very scary. I'm glad so far it doesn't seem to be the case, at least that we know of.
I had 2 ex co-workers that were hit. One is critical and the other was released the next day. They were 2 out of a group of 6-7 co-workers, the others helped save a large group of people as well. They are all law enforcement from California.
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10-04-2017 , 09:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Professionalpoker
Random thoughts:

Wondering if Vegas will ever have another open air event within range of a tall building.

I am sure that the venue will never be used again for anything but a memorial. American Ninja Warrior will have to be recorded somewhere else as well as all the other events that used that lot.
Perhaps this will heat up the market for unbreakable windows.
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10-04-2017 , 09:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Bageled
I had 2 ex co-workers that were hit. One is critical and the other was released the next day. They were 2 out of a group of 6-7 co-workers, the others helped save a large group of people as well. They are all law enforcement from California.
My best wishes to them all. Even those who weren't physically injured are at risk for all kinds of emotional fallout. Hopefully, being LE they have some insight into the right resources. <3
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10-04-2017 , 10:10 PM
Their has to be real time dashcam footage of this event from taxis/ubers/lyft drivers? Has anyone found any raw footage yet? It would give great perspective on what happened
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10-04-2017 , 10:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Professionalpoker
I am sure that the venue will never be used again for anything but a memorial. American Ninja Warrior will have to be recorded somewhere else as well as all the other events that used that lot.
that would be nice but that land is far too valuable. hopefully there is some country property near there to make a monument or a park. whoever owns that land next will put a building on it.
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10-04-2017 , 10:19 PM
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Originally Posted by njpokerplayer24
Their has to be real time dashcam footage of this event from taxis/ubers/lyft drivers? Has anyone found any raw footage yet? It would give great perspective on what happened
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mBbOFwWquAw
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10-04-2017 , 10:22 PM
Sounds like the guy was an arms dealer taking many of the established facts at face value.

- a video poker "millionaire"
- the number of guns in the hotel room and at the home
- the woman he was seen with in days leading up may have been a buyer as well as room service receipt
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10-04-2017 , 10:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Frenbar
Thanks. but it is still a cell phone video. and does not show the moments prior to first shots. Dashcams store all video on at least a 4-32 hour loop depending on the SD card. Hopefully more videos come out like this. It nice to see unedited videos. The media would never show this video due to its length.
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10-04-2017 , 10:35 PM
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Originally Posted by augie_
that would be nice but that land is far too valuable. hopefully there is some country property near there to make a monument or a park. whoever owns that land next will put a building on it.
Oh, I think that's a certainty - I assumed he meant as a venue in its current state. There's no doubt in my mind something else ends up there one day, likely with some kind of memorial incorporated into the design.
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10-04-2017 , 10:41 PM
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Originally Posted by njpokerplayer24
Thanks. but it is still a cell phone video. and does not show the moments prior to first shots. Dashcams store all video on at least a 4-32 hour loop depending on the SD card. Hopefully more videos come out like this. It nice to see unedited videos. The media would never show this video due to its length.
Um, I can think of at least one other reason why such a video would not be shown by reputable media.
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10-04-2017 , 11:40 PM
My mind can't help but wander when huge events like this occur so I apologize if this comes off as myopic, self absorbed, or having a lack of empathy for the victims. We all heal in different manners and try to understand and make sense of things. I

As some one who has been diagnosed with DSM and is narssisitic to the nth degree I completely understand his desire to become famous and go out in grandiose fashion. As someone who has combined virtually every type of illicit substance at once I get how they can skew your reality and lead you over the edge.

The one thing I will never understand is the desire to inflict carnage on random people you've never met. When i was at my deepest suffering. Suicidal, depressed beyond belief, plotting harming others with intimate detailed plans.... at no point was a total random person my goal... when i drank all the pent up aggression would come out. I was a ticking time bomb . So many nights i went out craving for someone to wrong me. It led to numerousfights, car incidents, arrests, etc. I can remember just wanting to hit someone in the face so many times simply so they could feel the pain that I felt. My mom used to tell me when I was a young child and was sick that she wished she could share the pain so I would suffer less. Maybe her words stuck with me. I thought i could lessen my pain by transferring it to others. And for a fleeting moment in a fight that strike of the fist flush against face would do it. Running guys off the road because he pissed me off made me feel better...

I only say all this because I really hope our country takes a look at the mental health crisis and drug epidemic we are facing. The drugs we've pumped into people's bodies who continue to drink, gamble, not sleep, etc fuel this behavior... it can turn an otherwise ordinary, wonderful individual into an insane person for a brief moment.

I truly don't believe this person was evil. I believe he was sick. Extremely sick. I feel so awful for everyone involved in this senseless tragedy. The victims and their families of course. That goes without saying. But I also worry about the single mother cleaning rooms at Mandalay, or washing sheets, or dealing pai gow. The retirees from MGM properties whose stock took a hit. The street performers, dancers, and cabbies who will no doubt suffer from the decrease in visitors. The shooters poor 90 year old mother who without a doubt is suffering from more pain than anyone right now.

Las Vegas was such a special place for me in my 20s. I even feel bad for the 21st bday partiers who won't get to enjoy such a special place with such naivete.

The irony to me was that I have stayed at the luxor more times than I can count because I thought i was "safer" being able to bounce between three poker rooms without walking outside at night and 4 since across to the MGM is virtually a mug free zone.

It's easy to be upset at the person who fired the weapons. Me... I will pray for him. What a tormented soul to do such a thing. And I pray even more for the ones out there struggling with any type of mental health issues. I'm not a religious person, so when I say "pray" I equate it with "think about them and hope the best for them".

Now that I've gone through drug rehabilitation, mental evaluation, and have a clear sense of direction I try my hardest every day in every interaction with other people to make a positive impact. Because i know when I was self medicating what i was capable of. And There are millions of us out there struggling with this disease. And most of us are on drugs. Prescribed or otherwise.

In no way do i intend for this to be any sort of political statement. I think the mental health/prescription drug/illicit drug crisis is something that completely transcends politics. It is without a doubt an issue in this country with no clear solution as to how to tackle it. My only suggestion is to be kind to your fellow man. You truly never know when it can make a difference.

I am one of the most cynical people you will ever meet but videos of police officers risking their lives to save others, first responders, nurses, blood donors, all coming together in times of crisis is amazing to watch.

Remember that tragedy has existed since the dawn of time. It's just that as media evolves these seem to hit closer and closer to home.

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10-04-2017 , 11:40 PM
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Originally Posted by poonis
My best wishes to them all. Even those who weren't physically injured are at risk for all kinds of emotional fallout. Hopefully, being LE they have some insight into the right resources. <3
As information unfolds, people I went to High School with were also injured from California. I hope everyone affected will find peace somehow. Thank you for caring for them, that means alot to me, even though I wasn't on scene.

And thanks to all the medical personnel in LV who are working overtime to help the survivors. From what I've heard, LV has only a single level 1 Trauma Center? Our local news said 172 victims were still hospitalized and a large number of them will need several months of hospitalization. Maybe this tragedy will open some doors in LV for more Level 1 Trauma Units? I hope somehow this will lead us into the right direction for the NEXT incident that occurs on our streets.
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10-04-2017 , 11:48 PM
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Originally Posted by rallydurham
My mind can't help but wander when huge events like this occur so I apologize if this comes off as myopic, self absorbed, or having a lack of empathy for the victims. We all heal in different manners and try to understand and make sense of things. I

As some one who has been diagnosed with DSM and is narssisitic to the nth degree I completely understand his desire to become famous and go out in grandiose fashion. As someone who has combined virtually every type of illicit substance at once I get how they can skew your reality and lead you over the edge.

The one thing I will never understand is the desire to inflict carnage on random people you've never met. When i was at my deepest suffering. Suicidal, depressed beyond belief, plotting harming others with intimate detailed plans.... at no point was a total random person my goal... when i drank all the pent up aggression would come out. I was a ticking time bomb . So many nights i went out craving for someone to wrong me. It led to numerousfights, car incidents, arrests, etc. I can remember just wanting to hit someone in the face so many times simply so they could feel the pain that I felt. My mom used to tell me when I was a young child and was sick that she wished she could share the pain so I would suffer less. Maybe her words stuck with me. I thought i could lessen my pain by transferring it to others. And for a fleeting moment in a fight that strike of the fist flush against face would do it. Running guys off the road because he pissed me off made me feel better...

I only say all this because I really hope our country takes a look at the mental health crisis and drug epidemic we are facing. The drugs we've pumped into people's bodies who continue to drink, gamble, not sleep, etc fuel this behavior... it can turn an otherwise ordinary, wonderful individual into an insane person for a brief moment.

I truly don't believe this person was evil. I believe he was sick. Extremely sick. I feel so awful for everyone involved in this senseless tragedy. The victims and their families of course. That goes without saying. But I also worry about the single mother cleaning rooms at Mandalay, or washing sheets, or dealing pai gow. The retirees from MGM properties whose stock took a hit. The street performers, dancers, and cabbies who will no doubt suffer from the decrease in visitors.

Las Vegas was such a special place for me in my 20s. I even feel bad for the 21st bday partiers who won't get to enjoy such a special place with such naivete.

The irony to me was that I have stayed at the luxor more times than I can count because I thought i was "safer" being able to bounce between three poker rooms without walking outside at night and 4 since across to the MGM is virtually a mug free zone.

It's easy to be upset at the person who fired the weapons. Me... I will pray for him. What a tormented soul to do such a thing. And I pray even more for the ones out there struggling with any type of mental health issues. I'm not a religious person, so when I say "pray" I equate it with "think about them and hope the best for them".
Now that I've gone through drug rehabilitation, mental evaluation, and have a clear sense of direction
I try my hardest every day in every interaction with other people to make a positive impact. Because i know when I was self medicating what i was capable of. And There are millions of us out there struggling with this disease. And most of us are on drugs. Prescribed or otherwise.
Law Enforcement definitely need better training in Mental Health, no doubt. Until the day comes when technology can read the mind/pain one suffers on another, these "senseless" acts of tragedy will continue. We have to deal with it with each case that unfolds before our eyes, sadly.

If people would ask for help, instead of taking out their rage on innocent people, we would have a better chance at dealing with the real problem of mental health, IMO.
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10-05-2017 , 12:19 AM
Another unedited 10 minute video. Warning some blood towards the end. Looks to be from the point of view of a security guard.

https://www.reviewjournal.com/local/...s-source-says/
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10-05-2017 , 12:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Bageled
Law Enforcement definitely need better training in Mental Health, no doubt. Until the day comes when technology can read the mind/pain one suffers on another, these "senseless" acts of tragedy will continue. We have to deal with it with each case that unfolds before our eyes, sadly.

If people would ask for help, instead of taking out their rage on innocent people, we would have a better chance at dealing with the real problem of mental health, IMO.
People are ashamed to ask for help. People don't want to admit they need help. I can remember not going outside for weeks at a time. Or leaving the bed for days. I sometimes bought multiple ounces of cocaine and mdma...1,800 mg of adderall, as many Xanax as I could get, and several cases of beer. Just so I would not have to interact with anyone other than a girl coming over for a few moments. I would hole up in my house with an AK-47 and look out the window all night. I even bought a fountain for one window so I could look thru it with out touching the blinds which i thought gave me away. Cameras? Everywhere.

People want to believe this guy could not have acted alone. These are the same people who are calling a 64 year old man with $2 million "wealthy". Newsflash... that guy isn't wealthy... the average American is just screwed when it comes to retirement... this is just some guy who grew up with NOTHING thinking if he made himself rich he'd be happy.... and then he realized he was irrelevant. $2 million won't make you famous. And free soup and shows in Las Vegas ain't what it's cracked up to be. And when the drugs stop working you have nowhere else to go.
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10-05-2017 , 01:13 AM
Seems like a lot of media are running with the narrative that the guy was a "multi-millionaire" and a successful high-stakes gambler, with the only evidence they offer being that he gets sick comps. In my experience, that's far more likely to be the calling card of a big loser -- while video poker (at least as of a few years ago) was said to be beatable, MGM would have known very well whether they were comping a sharp or a whale. Moreover, the winning sharps I know are almost always very private about their gameplay and winnings; this guy was bragging to every friend and family member. I'll speculate that it comes out that this guy was near-broke or in debt when this all went down. As to where he got his money...his father the bank robber...or maybe just prudent real estate purchases; many sources claiming he sold a few properties for a couple Million. But everything I've read leads me to believe he's likely to be a degen whale.
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10-05-2017 , 01:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Professionalpoker
Not clear whether he was actually aiming / targeting those hoping to cause an explosion. Article says that there were 2 bullet holes in those tanks...with his huge cache of ammo, if he was actually aiming for them he woulda left more than 2 bullet holes. Guessing just a couple strays?
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10-05-2017 , 01:17 AM
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Originally Posted by njpokerplayer24
Thanks. but it is still a cell phone video. and does not show the moments prior to first shots. Dashcams store all video on at least a 4-32 hour loop depending on the SD card. Hopefully more videos come out like this. It nice to see unedited videos. The media would never show this video due to its length.
There are most definitely some videos out there that show people actually being shot. But of course those don't go public and don't see any reason why anyone would want to see them.
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10-05-2017 , 01:18 AM
The Sherif said there is evidence that he planned to survive the shooting but that he can't say what that evidence is... hmmm
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10-05-2017 , 01:19 AM
Do people who view themselves as successful gamblers tend to have an irrational desire to see this guy turn out to be a broke degen (an unsuccessful gambler, in other words) so that it is easier to see him as some Other who has little in common with them?
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10-05-2017 , 01:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Monorail
Not clear whether he was actually aiming / targeting those hoping to cause an explosion. Article says that there were 2 bullet holes in those tanks...with his huge cache of ammo, if he was actually aiming for them he woulda left more than 2 bullet holes. Guessing just a couple strays?
Did you stop reading the article after two paragraphs?
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10-05-2017 , 01:30 AM
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Originally Posted by BDHarrison
Did you stop reading the article after two paragraphs?
Wut? No. I'm aware that the tanks were 1,100 feet away from the festival. The point stands that if he were deliberately targeting them, it seems like he would have left more than 2 holes.

Though this touches on something I had yet to see addressed: all of the Mandalay pics show 2 windows on opposite ends of the suite being smashed. Is there any info about why he smashed both? The illustration suggests that the East windows was smashed in order to "target the tanks". Has there been anything to confirm as much, or otherwise written about whether he was moving between the 2 windows as the incident went on?
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10-05-2017 , 02:50 AM
The vantage point, angles, previous dry run at another concert, weaponry, built shooting cage, camera setup with tethered wifi, high-powered weaponry, etc., etc. This was more like someone with intel/higher-level military thinking and training. Some degened-out old guy accountant doesn't pull off anywhere near this kind of level off orchestrated mayhem.

Maybe you or I *could* plan everything out & acquire operational knowledge by scowering the internet for months/years and piece-by-piecing everything together, but this was a Belicheck-level thought-process & plan, and dude didn't blink once the time came.

Definitely curious all the jobs he had, who he knew, any kind of professional/military training he previously engaged in, foreign travels, operational knowledge, etc. etc. Curious also if those fuel tanks were indeed intended to come into play somehow.
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