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10-04-2017 , 04:44 PM
Probably been said, but the guns that were shown are easily modified into to fully automatics with just a bit of money. The bigger concern are the camera's he used and even bigger concern are the amount of red flags about this person that were not acted upon in Las Vegas. Which makes no sense seeing as how a person straight up vlogging could get banned from a number of related casino's but this guy managed to fade numerous red flags and pull this terrorism off. And yes, this is terrorism. For some reason America ( not you guys in particular ) has a problem labeling this as terrorism because he's white. No. This is terrorism . And the media is completely failing this country by not labeling it so. That is sad.
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10-04-2017 , 04:47 PM
This might have been posted already but here is some pretty dramatic police radio traffic of the incident. For the record, a 419 is police code for a dead body.

http://www.masslive.com/news/index.s...ne_as_pol.html
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10-04-2017 , 04:57 PM
Supposedly a math wizard who studied algorithms and created spread sheets to beat high stakes video poker machines. Bragged to his girlfriends brother in law that he played with a roll of a few million and was a frequent VIP guest at hotels throughout Nevada. Never played tables, only machines according to the witness. Interesting article about his background in gambling.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...ghts?CMP=fb_gu
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10-04-2017 , 05:05 PM
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Originally Posted by ShawnIndy
Probably been said, but the guns that were shown are easily modified into to fully automatics with just a bit of money. The bigger concern are the camera's he used and even bigger concern are the amount of red flags about this person that were not acted upon in Las Vegas. Which makes no sense seeing as how a person straight up vlogging could get banned from a number of related casino's but this guy managed to fade numerous red flags and pull this terrorism off. And yes, this is terrorism. For some reason America ( not you guys in particular ) has a problem labeling this as terrorism because he's white. No. This is terrorism . And the media is completely failing this country by not labeling it so. That is sad.
What red flags exactly? And terrorists always have an agenda.
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10-04-2017 , 05:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Doc1200
Supposedly a math wizard who studied algorithms and created spread sheets to beat high stakes video poker machines. Bragged to his girlfriends brother in law that he played with a roll of a few million and was a frequent VIP guest at hotels throughout Nevada. Never played tables, only machines according to the witness. Interesting article about his background in gambling.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...ghts?CMP=fb_gu
By "studied algorithms," we may reasonably presume they mean "played optimal strategy on a 9/6 JOB." In other words, the way ANY person who read Wizard of Odds or other sites would likely have played...
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10-04-2017 , 05:45 PM
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Originally Posted by michelle227
By "studied algorithms," we may reasonably presume they mean "played optimal strategy on a 9/6 JOB." In other words, the way ANY person who read Wizard of Odds or other sites would likely have played...
Last time I put $100 in a video poker machine on a 9/6 JOB machine and played optimal strategy I lost the Benjamin before my comped drink arrived. Guess he was just lucky!
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10-04-2017 , 05:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Doc1200
Last time I put $100 in a video poker machine on a 9/6 JOB machine and played optimal strategy I lost the Benjamin before my comped drink arrived. Guess he was just lucky!
But did you have algorithms and spreadsheets?
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10-04-2017 , 05:59 PM
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Originally Posted by GentlemanJack
If you consider that result inconsequential then you have not experienced enough of the world my friend. Get away from the keyboard and learn more about the world around you
If experiencing the world leads me to your line of thinking, I'm just going to go ahead and stay planted behind this keyboard.
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10-04-2017 , 06:01 PM
Not sure if GBV reads NVG forum, but he probably has some insight into the AP methods of the shooter, and the associated comps he got along the way.
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10-04-2017 , 06:04 PM
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Originally Posted by lostinthesaus
But did you have algorithms and spreadsheets?
My Filipino girlfriend forgot them at home that day, and she got my Starbucks order wrong that morning. Hence why I'm now on Valium and writing this from the comfort of my gun room.
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10-04-2017 , 06:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Morphismus
What red flags exactly? And terrorists always have an agenda.
This.

AKAIK, there has been absolutely nothing found that should have indicated to anyone at anytime that this person was planning something like this and needed further looking into. In fact it seems to be the opposite so far.

That of course doesn't mean there aren't red flags. Just means I haven't heard of anything relevant yet.

And no, the fact that his GF may or may not have been an exotic dancer in the PI years ago (confirmed by a few internet photos I've seen), is not a red flag.
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10-04-2017 , 06:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Morphismus
What red flags exactly? And terrorists always have an agenda.
They probably think the dude made 5 trips to a solid black van parked in the valet circle with a full luggage rack consisting of heavy duty military style crates with spray painted labels saying "AR-15 .223" written all over them, while wearing black sunglasses and a trench coat with a little wire coming out of his ear.
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10-04-2017 , 06:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Doc1200
Supposedly a math wizard who studied algorithms and created spread sheets to beat high stakes video poker machines. Bragged to his girlfriends brother in law that he played with a roll of a few million and was a frequent VIP guest at hotels throughout Nevada. Never played tables, only machines according to the witness. Interesting article about his background in gambling.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...ghts?CMP=fb_gu
So bizarre, that you can be intelligent enough to accrue millions and stupid enough to believe you've beaten video poker machines. Oh well I guess the shoe fits, only a ****ing moron would go on a killing spree like this too.
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10-04-2017 , 06:36 PM
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Originally Posted by P0k3rM@st3r
It's is pretty obvious the motive for this shooting was a "remember the name" ego type shooting. He is now #1 on the all time mass shooters list in America. That is why he did it: "High score".

Same reason why a lot of poker players keep grinding. They are trying to make the most money playing poker and be #1. It's not really about money, it's about ego. If you want shootings like these to stop, the media has to stop saying how many people are dead over and over, and we have to erase all the data on the internet that ranks shootings by death count, etc.

The problem with our culture and with humans in general though is this trying to look big in the eyes of others [infamy]. I think though that a true genius does not care about silly rankings, he doesn't need other people to know that he is #1. He should be content with knowing (just himself) that he is #1.

Bobby fischer is one of my heroes for example. One of the things i always admired about him is how he left the spotlight when he was at the top. Not many people will or are capable of doing this.
David Ortiz too
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10-04-2017 , 06:50 PM
Random thoughts:

Wondering if Vegas will ever have another open air event within range of a tall building.

I am sure that the venue will never be used again for anything but a memorial. American Ninja Warrior will have to be recorded somewhere else as well as all the other events that used that lot.
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10-04-2017 , 06:55 PM
Wondering what the story was with the woman who allegedly yelled 'you're all going to die tonight?' Would imply someone had to have had prior knowledge
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10-04-2017 , 07:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Professionalpoker
Random thoughts:

Wondering if Vegas will ever have another open air event within range of a tall building.
New Years Eve?
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10-04-2017 , 07:15 PM
Good point. That and 4th of July.

I was thinking concert like event.
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10-04-2017 , 07:26 PM
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Originally Posted by ShawnIndy
And yes, this is terrorism. For some reason America ( not you guys in particular ) has a problem labeling this as terrorism because he's white. No. This is terrorism . And the media is completely failing this country by not labeling it so. That is sad.
To be terrorism it has to be politically motivated. The media isn't labeling it terrorism because he is white, its because his motives are still unclear.
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10-04-2017 , 07:32 PM
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Originally Posted by trambopoline
Wondering what the story was with the woman who allegedly yelled 'you're all going to die tonight?' Would imply someone had to have had prior knowledge
Other options are crazy-person's lucky guess or psychic or female witness we saw interviewed made it up/remembered it incorrectly in a way that melded with what happened later that night.

So many cameras all over Vegas and we've seen so little (none?) casino-hotel produced footage.
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10-04-2017 , 07:35 PM
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Originally Posted by ChrisFox
To be terrorism it has to be politically motivated. The media isn't labeling it terrorism because he is white, its because his motives are still unclear.
FBI originally did not release phone recordings related to Pulse Night Club massacre from shooter where he said he was doing it on behalf of ISIS.
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10-04-2017 , 07:39 PM
His father was a high profile bank robber. It's totally possible he left his kids some money hidden away. That in addition to being a boomer it isn't suprising he is wealthy.

I asked earlier but does anyone know how long he has been with his GF? If it is a newer relationship perhaps she influenced him in some way. If he kept spreadsheets and other data he must have journals pertaining to this incident.
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10-04-2017 , 07:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Professionalpoker
Random thoughts:

Wondering if Vegas will ever have another open air event within range of a tall building.

I am sure that the venue will never be used again for anything but a memorial. American Ninja Warrior will have to be recorded somewhere else as well as all the other events that used that lot.
I wonder if something screening visibility from nearby hotels would be feasible for future events. Not on this site necessarily, but for similar events elsewhere in LV.
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10-04-2017 , 07:50 PM
security will probably be stepped up for high rises, especially over looking event venues.

The Secret Service doesn't allow any open windows on the president's route. They have spotters overlooking them all. If a window does open, they are on it at once.

I could see LVPD having spotters with print outs of buildings. A window comes open or broken out, something like '...room xxxx Harrah's, go!...'
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10-04-2017 , 08:00 PM
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Originally Posted by BakedGoods
i think his brother said that the shooter owned some properties with their mother too (who is 90 years old)
I saw a short interview and his brother said he was a millionaire and loved to gamble.
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