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10-04-2017 , 11:44 AM
I don't have a problem with my post being deleted out of respect to victims but why allow a picture of a dead guy but not a video?
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10-04-2017 , 11:49 AM
Because he is not an innocent victim
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10-04-2017 , 11:58 AM
I'm really not trying to start a conspiracy here, this is a genuine question. Why are there 2 distinct volumes on the gunfire? Is it an echo?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hXJhnNRu1E
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10-04-2017 , 12:01 PM
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Originally Posted by mcbogart
I'm really not trying to start a conspiracy here, this is a genuine question. Why are there 2 distinct volumes on the gunfire? Is it an echo?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hXJhnNRu1E
Echo. There are an equal number of sound pulses between the loud primary and softer echo.
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10-04-2017 , 12:04 PM
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Originally Posted by STLNolaWoj
I don't have a problem with my post being deleted out of respect to victims but why allow a picture of a dead guy but not a video?
That link was awful and I felt awful for the 30 seconds I watched. ...

Last edited by rubikon; 10-04-2017 at 12:09 PM. Reason: Btw I have no problems with the brains out pic of the shooter...
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10-04-2017 , 12:10 PM
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Originally Posted by GentlemanJack

Call me a cynic, but my first thought was, "wonder which bar in Angeles City she danced at and landed herself an AUS visa . . .". I wouldn't be surprised at all if something like this came out about her past history.
What if she did? So what?

Maybe you're a cynic for thinking it, but what value is added by posting it?
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10-04-2017 , 12:16 PM
The sound is exactly as gunfire sounds from a distance. There are two distinct sounds, the rifle fire and the bullets passing. Several veterans have confirmed that they immediately knew what it was bc of the "crack" or "pop" sound that bullets make as they whizz by, breaking the sound barrier similar to a whip.

The situation is further compounded with confusion because of the echos generated by the shape of the building and open air of the field.. This is one of the reasons officers initially had difficulty identifying the direction it was coming from (though if you listen to the released police scanners several officers quickly (~5 min) identify it is coming from an elevated position at Mandalay Bay.

It hasnt been confirmed, but is also assumed he was alternating between weapons.

Last edited by Avaritia; 10-04-2017 at 12:30 PM. Reason: Spelling
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10-04-2017 , 12:22 PM
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Originally Posted by ChipWrecked
What if she did? So what?
If you consider that result inconsequential then you have not experienced enough of the world my friend. Get away from the keyboard and learn more about the world around you
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10-04-2017 , 12:30 PM
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Originally Posted by rubikon
That link was awful and I felt awful for the 30 seconds I watched. ...
Sorry for the derail, like 9/11, these are the events that we all wish time travel was possible to stop.

Last edited by whosnext; 10-04-2017 at 12:53 PM. Reason: removed unwanted stuff, just move on
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10-04-2017 , 12:46 PM
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Originally Posted by GentlemanJack
If you consider that result inconsequential then you have not experienced enough of the world my friend. Get away from the keyboard and learn more about the world around you
I'm in my 50's. Perhaps you can enlighten me. You're saying she was a whore. Ok. And she's snagged a couple of Western men along the way. Got it.

So, she caused this guy to stage a massacre?

Or, a guy who has a propensity to mass murder, would also hook up with a Filipina whore?

Genuinely curious.
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10-04-2017 , 01:01 PM
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Originally Posted by ratslla
In one picture you see him on the floor with a rifle standing over his leg. Odds are pretty low you fall into that position after you shot yourself in the head.
The initial reports were that the police killed him. Later it was ruled a suicide. Also you can see shots were fired through the door of the suite. Im guessing the police killed him and just ruled it a suicide. mayb to avoid lawsuits?
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10-04-2017 , 01:04 PM
That picture sure looks like he ate a gun to me.
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10-04-2017 , 01:06 PM
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Originally Posted by ChipWrecked
I'm in my 50's. Perhaps you can enlighten me. You're saying she was a whore. Ok. And she's snagged a couple of Western men along the way. Got it.

So, she caused this guy to stage a massacre?

Or, a guy who has a propensity to mass murder, would also hook up with a Filipina whore?

Genuinely curious.
I'm also baffled as to why GentlemanJack's 'thoughts' have any relevance to what happened :/
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10-04-2017 , 01:09 PM
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Originally Posted by SuperSwag
He was a wealthy accountant wasn't he? he owned airplanes and other expensive things.
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Originally Posted by BakedGoods
i think his brother said that the shooter owned some properties with their mother too (who is 90 years old)
I realize that an accountant can make a very good living, but how does an accountant become -that- wealthy, especially one with apparently no public profile? And even owning a few properties doesn't give you immediate access to hundreds of thousands of dollars to gamble away on a regular basis.
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10-04-2017 , 01:14 PM
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Originally Posted by hedgecock
I'm also baffled as to why GentlemanJack's 'thoughts' have any relevance to what happened :/
Yes, do enlighten us GJ. Guess we all need to get out more.
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10-04-2017 , 01:16 PM
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Originally Posted by IHaveThreePair
I read somewhere he worked as a letter carrier for the IRS...
The IRS does not employ letter carriers. He held two separate government jobs at different points in his life. He worked as a letter carrier for the Postal Service and he also worked fot the IRS.

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Originally Posted by Love_the_game
The initial reports were that the police killed him. Later it was ruled a suicide. Also you can see shots were fired through the door of the suite. Im guessing the police killed him and just ruled it a suicide. mayb to avoid lawsuits?
The bullets went in the opposite direction. They were fired from the room out into the hallway. That's how a security guard got shot.
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10-04-2017 , 02:43 PM
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Originally Posted by NickMPK
I realize that an accountant can make a very good living, but how does an accountant become -that- wealthy, especially one with apparently no public profile? And even owning a few properties doesn't give you immediate access to hundreds of thousands of dollars to gamble away on a regular basis.
If you are not putting kids through college, it becomes a WHOLE lot easier to have discretionary income with any manner of decent paying job and working one's adult life. He also was reported to have had history working for DoD from one article I saw, so the question would be whether he was a standard salary desk jockey (again, with decent retirement benefits) or whether he was a numbers cruncher on consultant pay. And, depending on length of service, there may have been decent pension money even from the postal work. In his mid-60's, it is not at all inconceivable that the guy was worth several million...

Even a modest investment portfolio across the length of time that guy was working and living could have yielded large returns. And while his was not likely an ESOP sort of thing, there are lots of people that age who have decent amounts of stock purchased quite cheap compared to current market valuations. Good example is some of the certificates we were finding in Dad's stuff when he passed...tons of XOM that was acquired at a split-adjusted price of two dollars or so. I remember being quite aghast at the financials when we dealt with the estate simply because he and mom didn't give the appearances of people like the type that had THAT kind of money.

One cannot also discount the possibility of decent amounts of money having been squirreled away by their father from the robbery activities.
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10-04-2017 , 02:52 PM
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Originally Posted by GentlemanJack
If you consider that result inconsequential then you have not experienced enough of the world my friend. Get away from the keyboard and learn more about the world around you

Your cryptic and sanctimonious point here is not helpful to the thread. Please articulate why her background — whether hooker or no or serial immigration hookup or no — is in any way relevant here.
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10-04-2017 , 02:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Howard Treesong
Your cryptic and sanctimonious point here is not helpful to the thread. Please articulate why her background — whether hooker or no or serial immigration hookup or no — is in any way relevant here.
I would rather he not do so and the rest of us choose to ignore his comment.
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10-04-2017 , 03:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Wilbury Twist
Yeah, absolutely pulls the incident into focus. Even if the 59 victims are not people you know (which obviously applies to most people), each seems like someone you could know.

Two of my friends (who don't know each other) were in that crowd. One of them posted a "Safe" update on Facebook pretty quickly after the news broke. The other called one of my co-workers as it was taking place, mostly because she was scared out of her mind and needed to talk to someone. My co-worker said he could hear the patter of gunfire pretty loudly in the background of the call, revealing just how close she was to the situation.
Absolutely. I found out last night that a friend of a friend was killed. My friend was supposed to meet up with her at the concert but her tickets got messed up somehow and she couldn't go. She's heartbroken having lost a good friend. And I could have lost her. It's just insane when it hits that close to home. I also had a client tell me that their colleague was at the concert but was okay. This is the first tragedy where I've felt this many connections to it.

That's why I thought of this forum after so long. I didn't post much, but I read enough to feel like I sort of 'knew' some posters here. And the thought that it might have affected someone here was very scary. I'm glad so far it doesn't seem to be the case, at least that we know of.
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10-04-2017 , 03:21 PM
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Originally Posted by whosnext
I would rather he not do so and the rest of us choose to ignore his comment.
Yeah I'm good.

I was really just pointing out that he was being a racist, shaming piece of ****. I don't care about his opinion.
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10-04-2017 , 03:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Morphismus
One of the last posts in the old thread showed pictures indicating the shooter left a note. Is this real or fake news? Any official confirmation of this?
Every hotel room has a pad of paper and a pen sitting on a desk/table. It could be nothing more than that.
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10-04-2017 , 03:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Love_the_game
The initial reports were that the police killed him. Later it was ruled a suicide. Also you can see shots were fired through the door of the suite. Im guessing the police killed him and just ruled it a suicide. mayb to avoid lawsuits?
I don't think the police get the final rule on that, just the initial report. There will be an autopsy, and a medical/forensic team will determine the cause of death. They can tell the difference between a suicide and a homicide in most all cases. What we're likely seeing is the police reports calling it "an apparent suicide," but that's not a confirmation of fact yet. We'd have to get to a conspiratorial stage where the police department is paying off the coroner/ME in order for there to be some sort of lawsuit prevention cover-up.
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10-04-2017 , 03:44 PM
FWIW my girlfriend's an ER nurse. Showed her the pic and the first thing she said (not knowing anything of the reports of suicide) was "Oh he put a gun in his mouth and killed himself."

Like poonis said, we'll all know for sure once the autopsy is released, but that's one medical professional's opinion.
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10-04-2017 , 04:09 PM
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Originally Posted by that_pope
Every hotel room has a pad of paper and a pen sitting on a desk/table. It could be nothing more than that.
As many people have pointed out, the pen and pad in the picture don't match the ones from standard Mandalay Bay rooms. Whether or not he wrote a note on them is pure speculation, but to me, the fact that he took a video of himself doing the attack makes it seem more likely.
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