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10-04-2017 , 06:54 AM
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Originally Posted by pocket_zeros
Photos and bios for many of the victims:

Daily Mail
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Originally Posted by Howard Treesong
Please read and look through those. It is all too easy to turn the number 59 into a statistic, and it is much harder to do so looking at each of those and seeing the joy they had in their lives that this prick Paddock obliterated.
This.

Make them famous, f him.
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10-04-2017 , 07:00 AM
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Originally Posted by restorativejustice
Ding, Ding, Ding -- that "job" screams money-laundering of some kind to me. Wonder if we will ever know the whole story.
I read somewhere he worked as a letter carrier for the IRS...
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10-04-2017 , 07:11 AM
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Originally Posted by GazzyB123
Disappointed the other thread was closed; there was a lot of amicable, reasoned debate from all over the world going on. You can argue that it wasn't in the right sub-forum, but a lot of NVGers (myself included) would never go to said subforums to debate the issue.

Hopefully it's re-opened and can run alongside this thread.
Politics and gun discussion is a waste of energy and time.
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10-04-2017 , 07:14 AM
It's is pretty obvious the motive for this shooting was a "remember the name" ego type shooting. He is now #1 on the all time mass shooters list in America. That is why he did it: "High score".

Same reason why a lot of poker players keep grinding. They are trying to make the most money playing poker and be #1. It's not really about money, it's about ego. If you want shootings like these to stop, the media has to stop saying how many people are dead over and over, and we have to erase all the data on the internet that ranks shootings by death count, etc.

The problem with our culture and with humans in general though is this trying to look big in the eyes of others [infamy]. I think though that a true genius does not care about silly rankings, he doesn't need other people to know that he is #1. He should be content with knowing (just himself) that he is #1.

Bobby fischer is one of my heroes for example. One of the things i always admired about him is how he left the spotlight when he was at the top. Not many people will or are capable of doing this.

Last edited by P0k3rM@st3r; 10-04-2017 at 07:27 AM.
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10-04-2017 , 08:12 AM
In one picture you see him on the floor with a rifle standing over his leg. Odds are pretty low you fall into that position after you shot yourself in the head.
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10-04-2017 , 08:42 AM
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Originally Posted by ratslla
In one picture you see him on the floor with a rifle standing over his leg. Odds are pretty low you fall into that position after you shot yourself in the head.
Throwing this out there for consideration so hold on: Maybe he wasn't the shooter, that possibility has to be added to the equation. Just because most are saying or believing Paddock did the shooting doesn't mean he did.

There is a chance he was a patsy and others did the shooting. If so, there was plenty of time for them to escape, about 30 minutes.

At times it sounded like two guns being shot at the same time, which is also possible by one person I guess.

Given the amount of mis-information during the event such as LEO's saying by radio '...confirmed two shooters with full autos...' when their own reports indicate this wasn't true at all.
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10-04-2017 , 08:48 AM
I think there's definitely a lot more to this, which potentially makes it even scarier that the FBI had no idea...
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10-04-2017 , 08:48 AM
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Originally Posted by P0k3rM@st3r
It's is pretty obvious the motive for this shooting was a "remember the name" ego type shooting. He is now #1 on the all time mass shooters list in America. That is why he did it: "High score".

Same reason why a lot of poker players keep grinding. They are trying to make the most money playing poker and be #1. It's not really about money, it's about ego. If you want shootings like these to stop, the media has to stop saying how many people are dead over and over, and we have to erase all the data on the internet that ranks shootings by death count, etc.

The problem with our culture and with humans in general though is this trying to look big in the eyes of others [infamy]. I think though that a true genius does not care about silly rankings, he doesn't need other people to know that he is #1. He should be content with knowing (just himself) that he is #1.

Bobby fischer is one of my heroes for example. One of the things i always admired about him is how he left the spotlight when he was at the top. Not many people will or are capable of doing this.


Bobby Fischer is not a model for sanity.
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10-04-2017 , 09:05 AM
As poker players we do our best to get reads on our opponents by studying them while we play. We tend to remember the faces of people we have played with, a lot more so than someone we met casually. For some reason this guy's face is familiar to me, as if I may have sat in a game with him at some time or other. Most of my play has either been in L.A. or Vegas so I guess that would be possible if he ever played poker in these two areas. Is there anyone else on here that might recognize this guy? We know he is a gambler who likes video poker and dice, so he may well have played some live poker sometimes as well.
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10-04-2017 , 09:10 AM
"Stephen Paddock was prescribed an anti-anxiety drug in June that can lead to aggressive behavior, the Las Vegas Review-Journal has learned.

Diazepam is a sedative-hypnotic drug in the class of drugs known as benzodizepines, which studies have shown can trigger aggressive behavior. Chronic use or abuse of sedatives such as diazepam can also trigger psychotic experiences, according to drugabuse.com.

“If somebody has an underlying aggression problem and you sedate them with that drug, they can become aggressive,” said Dr. Mel Pohl, chief medical officer of the Las Vegas Recovery Center. “It can disinhibit an underlying emotional state. … It is much like what happens when you give alcohol to some people … they become aggressive instead of going to sleep. Pohl, who spoke to the Review-Journal from the Netherlands, said the effects of the drug also can be magnified by alcohol.”




https://www.reviewjournal.com/local/...-drug-in-june/
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10-04-2017 , 09:12 AM
I guess it is inevitable that some percentage of the population will seek to interpret this as part of some broader conspiracy. Absent evidence of that, random speculation about that feels almost offensive to me. It’s like guy who denies that sandy hook occurred. There are very few people who I want to punch in the face, but he is one.
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10-04-2017 , 09:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Howard Treesong
I guess it is inevitable that some percentage of the population will seek to interpret this as part of some broader conspiracy. Absent evidence of that, random speculation about that feels almost offensive to me. It’s like guy who denies that sandy hook occurred. There are very few people who I want to punch in the face, but he is one.
Yeah,I'm all about a good conspiracy, but to try and reason one out right now is premature and offensive.

Maybe it's a coping mechanism when nothing else makes sense.



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10-04-2017 , 09:28 AM
I'm curious what his internet activity was like the past month or so. What websites he frequented and his google searches etc. Would probably reveal a lot.
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10-04-2017 , 09:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Utah_CUtiger
Why haven't they realeased the contents of the note? It must reveal connections to others or something that calls for an investigation rather than simply a manifesto.
because the job of an investigator is to investigate crimes not to satisfy the public's curiosity.
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10-04-2017 , 09:40 AM
It seems to me that the job of the investigator here is absolutely to satisfy the public’s curiosity. It is also to determine if anyone else was involved and if there is any further danger, but this is not in any way a situation where there is doubt about the identity of the perpetrator.

I’m not saying the police should release the note now, but I imagine they will do so eventually.
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10-04-2017 , 09:45 AM
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Originally Posted by MicroRoller
because the job of an investigator is to investigate crimes not to satisfy the public's curiosity.
Honest question: do you think the contents of the note impact whether or not it is made public?

For example, if it was just a love note to his wife, do you expect it to be made public quicker than say a note damning the govt or a public figure?
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10-04-2017 , 10:12 AM
To me, that question depends on whether the note will be embarrassing to the police or government. Call me a cynic!
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10-04-2017 , 10:15 AM
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Originally Posted by IHaveThreePair
Honest question: do you think the contents of the note impact whether or not it is made public?

For example, if it was just a love note to his wife, do you expect it to be made public quicker than say a note damning the govt or a public figure?
Of course the contents will impact whether it's made public but it's pointless to speculate what the contents of the note are based on whether it's made public or not. It could mean that it's so insignificant like his room service bill they don't have time to waste addressing it. It could mean that there's important information that they don't want to make public right now. They said they don't know his motives so my guess is it doesn't reveal his motives.
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10-04-2017 , 10:18 AM
Reports are circulating that he streamed the attack internationally and they're trying to figure out where. Also saying he made few international transfers, including Middle East.
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10-04-2017 , 10:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Howard Treesong
It seems to me that the job of the investigator here is absolutely to satisfy the public’s curiosity. It is also to determine if anyone else was involved and if there is any further danger, but this is not in any way a situation where there is doubt about the identity of the perpetrator.

I’m not saying the police should release the note now, but I imagine they will do so eventually.
How do you even know it was a note?
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10-04-2017 , 10:37 AM
I obviously don’t. The picture of the shooter seems to show a piece of paper on a small table in the room, which looks like a note of some sort. But it of course could be nothing.
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10-04-2017 , 10:41 AM
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Originally Posted by StaYSMacKed
Reports are circulating that he streamed the attack internationally and they're trying to figure out where. Also saying he made few international transfers, including Middle East.
As usually happens after big news people say all sorts of crazy **** for various reasons that include making themselves look/feel important to driving traffic to their websites.
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10-04-2017 , 10:54 AM
Thanks. Yes of course it was a rhetorical question. I was simply using it to make the point that at this stage there are many things that can be known with reasonable certainty. Yet people still quote uncertainties almost as fact, talking of 'when the police release the note', about there being a second shooter, of gunfire from a few windows below the 32nd floor, of him having someone with him, the 72 minutes to get him. Mostly speculative and without credible evidence at this stage only serving to cloud the picture and feed the conspiracy theorists.

I'm pretty sure there are many rooms at the MB where there is a notepad with a pen sitting on it. Is this one relevant? Quite possibly and if it is then we'll find out what was written on there.

The investigators don't have a responsibility to ensure our hunger for information about this event is fed. They have more pressing things to do. Information needs to be fed in a controlled way and will be as it becomes available.
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10-04-2017 , 11:11 AM
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Originally Posted by poonis
LE keep things close to the vest all the time for a variety of reasons but nearly always in the public's best interest.
You can't possibly believe this statement to be true - who do you think is leaking those room interior photos to the media?

I respect LE and I know they have a hard job. But these photos are clearly being sold for money by these same people. LE just wants to "get paid" like every other greedy mofo on the planet.
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