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10-23-2017 , 09:59 PM
Has anyone heard anything else on the following? Early on in the investigation there were reports that Paddock had either (1) taped himself while actually carrying out the attack and/or (2) was running a livestream during the time of the attack so that people could watch him.

I heard these once on a local LV news broadcast but never heard anything about it again. Has there been any news on that?
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10-23-2017 , 10:41 PM
It was reported that there was a camera mounted so that he might have intended to record himself, but it was unknown at the time if it had been used. There have been no reports of recorded video, so it seems highly unlikely that it was used, since that seems like a detail that would have come out by now. It is possible that Campos interrupted Paddock so that he didn't do everything he intended. Maybe the time spent firing at Campos had been budgeted for turning on his camera.
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10-23-2017 , 10:49 PM
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Originally Posted by BDHarrison
It was reported that there was a camera mounted so that he might have intended to record himself, but it was unknown at the time if it had been used. There have been no reports of recorded video, so it seems highly unlikely that it was used, since that seems like a detail that would have come out by now. It is possible that Campos interrupted Paddock so that he didn't do everything he intended. Maybe the time spent firing at Campos had been budgeted for turning on his camera.
Interesting, I could see that. Campos did say that while he was close to the room that he heard a drilling of some kind and then was fired upon shortly thereafter. I suppose Paddock could have been in the process of mounting cameras but didn't finish.
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10-23-2017 , 11:08 PM
I thought i heard an early report that he will drilling screws into the door and doorframe to impede entry into his room. I also thought the camera was in hall on a food service cart giving him a view of the hallway.
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10-24-2017 , 05:40 AM
I also remember reading that the cameras were not set up to record. They were just meant to give him a view of the hallway (supposedly).
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10-24-2017 , 03:03 PM
Campos coming to the room because of drilling noises has been completely redacted. His new story is that the room door was left open for a considerable amount of time that he was alerted to check the room.

If you’re staying in a casino and your room door doesn’t latch properly the casino is electronically alerted and they send up a security officer to close the door. This prevents theft and liability of the casino.
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10-24-2017 , 03:08 PM
I have a go pro and have considered using it as a wireless security camera before.

It’s simple. The GoPro will connect to a smart iPhone or tablet via WiFi and the GoPro app. You can then use the phone or tablet as a wireless viewfinder to control the GoPro. I have seen a lot of people asking why the go pros have no memory cards and the answer is they don’t need memory cards if they’re just being used as wireless cameras.

This still doesn’t explain why anyone would leave the door open.
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10-24-2017 , 03:23 PM
lol i tried to read some of the comments on the vids or even watch them. massive waste of time.

its like amateur hour, with a bunch of sub 80 IQ humans discussing their ****ty theories.

after a bit i just nope'd the **** out of there.

You cant argue with crazy or debate against insanity. Conspiracy videos cater to that market.
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10-24-2017 , 03:24 PM
As far as I can recall, the story has always been that Campos was called to the 32nd floor to investigate an open door alarm on a door that was not Paddock's and while he was on the floor heard noises that might have been drilling.
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10-24-2017 , 03:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Professionalpoker
im not a body language expert but Campos body language seems very furtive in contrast to the other guest who seems more loose and open. my only speculation is that Campos is not qualified or registered to work and he and MB are covering it up.

fwiw i have no idea what im talking about.
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10-24-2017 , 03:50 PM
https://www.nytimes.com/video/us/100...12-bursts.html This video is extremely well done. Definitely gives as complete of a picture as possible.
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10-24-2017 , 04:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Rich Checkmaker
im not a body language expert but Campos body language seems very furtive in contrast to the other guest who seems more loose and open. my only speculation is that Campos is not qualified or registered to work and he and MB are covering it up.
If Campos seemed more loose and open, conspiracy theorists would just claim that it is weird that he is so calm because he should seem more traumatized.

Casino security is a low-paying job that doesn't require much in the way of licensing. As far as I can tell, you need a high school diploma or equivalent, you need to have avoided committing any crimes, and you need to be able to register with the gaming commission. People have talked about the Nevada Private Investigator's Licensing Board, but getting licensed by them doesn't seem to be a requirement for working in casino security.
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10-24-2017 , 04:37 PM
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Originally Posted by subfocused
https://www.nytimes.com/video/us/100...12-bursts.html This video is extremely well done. Definitely gives as complete of a picture as possible.
Great video - all of it fits the non-conspiracy theory that sensible people have held since the start. Meanwhile, the conspiracy trolls seem to have disappeared, thankfully.
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10-24-2017 , 05:27 PM
The NYT video is solid: very little editorializing, but instead factual, and acknowledging what isn’t known without crazy-Town speculation.
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10-24-2017 , 08:16 PM
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Originally Posted by BDHarrison
Casino security is a low-paying job that doesn't require much in the way of licensing. As far as I can tell, you need a high school diploma or equivalent, you need to have avoided committing any crimes, and you need to be able to register with the gaming commission. People have talked about the Nevada Private Investigator's Licensing Board, but getting licensed by them doesn't seem to be a requirement for working in casino security.
Well put. People have this notion that casino security are highly paid elite ninjas or something . But it's really not a high paying job at all with very few entry requirements other than a clean record. These guys are more Paul Blart than James Bond.
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10-24-2017 , 08:29 PM
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Originally Posted by subfocused
https://www.nytimes.com/video/us/100...12-bursts.html This video is extremely well done. Definitely gives as complete of a picture as possible.
That video was excellent, thanks for posting it.
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10-25-2017 , 11:59 AM
Vegas shooter's brother arrested for child porn.

http://www.tmz.com/2017/10/25/vegas-...earch-warrant/
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10-25-2017 , 12:29 PM
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Originally Posted by restorativejustice
Vegas shooter's brother arrested for child porn.

http://www.tmz.com/2017/10/25/vegas-...earch-warrant/
For clarification. It's the younger brother Bruce, not the brother that gave interviews after the shooting, Eric.
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10-25-2017 , 12:40 PM
I'm not asking this question with any type of conspiracy theory-stuff in mind, just curious:

Isn't it very rare that after +- 4 weeks pretty much nothing has been publicly released about the crime or motive after such a major crime that had the focus of the entire world?
If my assumption that this being rare is correct, do we know why or can we make an educated guess?


(NYT video was really well done, though police probably has 5-10x more footage...)
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10-25-2017 , 12:47 PM
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Originally Posted by MicroRoller
For clarification. It's the younger brother Bruce, not the brother that gave interviews after the shooting, Eric.
Bank robber, mass murderer, child porn collector.
Who knew that the brother who came across so poorly in interviews was the best of the bunch (so far).
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10-25-2017 , 12:52 PM
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Originally Posted by bbfg
I'm not asking this question with any type of conspiracy theory-stuff in mind, just curious:

Isn't it very rare that after +- 4 weeks pretty much nothing has been publicly released about the crime or motive after such a major crime that had the focus of the entire world?
If my assumption that this being rare is correct, do we know why or can we make an educated guess?


(NYT video was really well done, though police probably has 5-10x more footage...)
The lack of an established motive part is pretty rare I would say but would of itself answer the question about 'no motive information being released': there is none, ergo nothing to release.

Alternatively (let me get my tinfoil hat)...
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10-25-2017 , 01:20 PM
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Originally Posted by bbfg
Isn't it very rare that after +- 4 weeks pretty much nothing has been publicly released about the crime or motive after such a major crime that had the focus of the entire world?
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Originally Posted by hedgecock
The lack of an established motive part is pretty rare I would say but would of itself answer the question about 'no motive information being released': there is none, ergo nothing to release.
I don't think there is anything odd about it at all. You have to remember that "motive" is a construct that the public seeks after watching too much Matlock. Motive does not have any bearing in a legal criminal case. Do not confuse motive with intent. Police investigate intent, they rarely investigate motive because they don't need it for criminal proceedings.


As a member of the public, sure, it's frustrating to not have a motive. But I don't think that's LVMPD's main focus at the moment and we have to accept that a motive may never be found.
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10-25-2017 , 03:41 PM
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Originally Posted by GentlemanJack
I don't think there is anything odd about it at all. You have to remember that "motive" is a construct that the public seeks after watching too much Matlock. Motive does not have any bearing in a legal criminal case. Do not confuse motive with intent. Police investigate intent, they rarely investigate motive because they don't need it for criminal proceedings.


As a member of the public, sure, it's frustrating to not have a motive. But I don't think that's LVMPD's main focus at the moment and we have to accept that a motive may never be found.
This isn't strictly true.

The police will definitely consider motive before or alongside investigating intent, particularly in a case like this where, as you rightly state, there is a huge public interest. Legally, intent is what the prosecutors are looking to prove as part of their case. For them, motive is a minor legal aspect.

To use your Matlock analogy, detectives would ordinarily look for those with a motive (this could involve many people - not really relevant in the Vegas shooting) and then try to pin down the person with intent to commit the crime, along with the means and opportunity.

So, basically I agree with you almost completely - just that an interest in the 'motive' isn't only restricted to the public.
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10-25-2017 , 03:47 PM
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Originally Posted by hedgecock
This isn't strictly true.

The police will definitely consider motive before or alongside investigating intent, particularly in a case like this where, as you rightly state, there is a huge public interest. Legally, intent is what the prosecutors are looking to prove as part of their case. For them, motive is a minor legal aspect.

To use your Matlock analogy, detectives would ordinarily look for those with a motive (this could involve many people - not really relevant in the Vegas shooting) and then try to pin down the person with intent to commit the crime, along with the means and opportunity.

So, basically I agree with you almost completely - just that an interest in the 'motive' isn't only restricted to the public.

You should take a law school level course on criminal law and then write down the number of times that motive is mentioned It's not a "minor legal aspect", it isn't a legal aspect at all. Motive was invented by Hollywood to serve the purpose of a storyline. But no one in the criminal system (lawyer, judge, police or otherwise) cares about motive.
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10-25-2017 , 03:53 PM
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Originally Posted by GentlemanJack
You should take a law school level course on criminal law and then write down the number of times that motive is mentioned It's not a "minor legal aspect", it isn't a legal aspect at all. Motive was invented by Hollywood to serve the purpose of a storyline. But no one in the criminal system (lawyer, judge, police or otherwise) cares about motive.
OK, you're right, I'm wrong. Probably wasted my time covering all those criminal court cases as a young journalist too!

Motive
Definition from Nolo’s Plain-English Law Dictionary
The probable reason a person committed a crime, as when one acts out of jealousy, greed, or revenge. While evidence of a motive may be admissible at trial, proof of motive is not necessary to prove a crime.

So, as I said, a 'minor legal aspect'.
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