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10-17-2017 , 05:42 PM
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Originally Posted by The Gamesman
Here's a lady who is pretty convincing that she and many others heard a lot of gunfire while inside near the Planet Hollywood area. If you then read the 1st comment made on the page someone posted actual video of all the chaos inside Planet Hollywood.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BXBf...t=1784.5884167
This is the only comment that matters because it's the only one that isn't ****ing ******ed:
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I can't believe that u ordered a Philly cheese steak with no cheese...what is wrong with u?
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10-17-2017 , 05:42 PM
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Originally Posted by The Gamesman
Here's a lady who is pretty convincing that she and many others heard a lot of gunfire while inside near the Planet Hollywood area. If you then read the 1st comment made on the page someone posted actual video of all the chaos inside Planet Hollywood.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BXBf...t=1784.5884167
Bullet noises carry for very, very far distances. Not surprising at all that other hotels would hear them pretty clearly up & down The Strip. Unless you've been around gunfire, you probably wouldn't know this and would cause an overreaction.
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10-17-2017 , 06:08 PM
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Originally Posted by The Gamesman
Here's a lady who is pretty convincing that she and many others heard a lot of gunfire while inside near the Planet Hollywood area.
It is much more likely that there was no gunfire inside Planet Hollywood than that there is an on-going cover-up of shots fired inside PH.
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10-17-2017 , 06:22 PM
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Originally Posted by GentlemanJack
Bullet noises carry for very, very far distances. Not surprising at all that other hotels would hear them pretty clearly up & down The Strip. Unless you've been around gunfire, you probably wouldn't know this and would cause an overreaction.
She said she was inside playing a slot machine about 100 to 50 ft from the door with music and noises (bells and whistles) of other slot machines happening at the same time.

Again here is video allegedly from inside planet Hollylwood:

https://www.facebook.com/dioakim/vid...type=3&theater

Last edited by The Gamesman; 10-17-2017 at 06:29 PM.
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10-17-2017 , 06:26 PM
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Originally Posted by The Gamesman
She said she was inside playing a slot machine about 100 to 50 ft from the door with music and noises (bells and whistles) of other slot machines happening at the same time.

Again here is video allegedly from inside planet Hollylwood:

https://www.facebook.com/dioakim/vid...type=3&theater
I stand by my previous statement. Some people just don't have experience around gunfire.
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10-17-2017 , 06:59 PM
If you look at the end of the below video allegedly from Planet Hollywood around 4:18 you will see a lady who looks to be having a medical issue. This reminds me of a place where I use to work where someone supposedly pulled a fire alarm (false alarm) and a lady had a heart attack while running down the stairs. I'd bet there were many heart attacks during this whole incident, mostly from out of shape people running.

https://www.facebook.com/dioakim/vid...type=3&theater
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10-18-2017 , 04:33 AM
the security guard went on ellen. going to air today.
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10-18-2017 , 06:24 AM
^^^^
There are "Ellen" themed slots in MGM properties. Likely why he pulled out of other interviews for this one. I would not expect anything said that in any way makes the casino look bad.
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10-18-2017 , 09:30 AM
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Originally Posted by rtd353
the security guard went on ellen. going to air today.
I guess Ellen won the bidding war.
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10-18-2017 , 10:25 AM
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Originally Posted by GentlemanJack
I guess Ellen won the bidding war.
Guess not


“We of course wanted to give you money, and you both were very, very specific. You said you don't want money, you don't want money at all, so you're not getting any money.”

http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-...017-story.html
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10-18-2017 , 10:45 AM
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Originally Posted by johndoe82
Guess not


“We of course wanted to give you money, and you both were very, very specific. You said you don't want money, you don't want money at all, so you're not getting any money.”

http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-...017-story.html
Yeah right

In the US, its frowned upon to pay for interviews (but its completely standard in other countries). So no one in the US technically "pays" for interviews. They get around it by paying "licensing fees" when they use the person's pictures or videos. So any time during the interview you see their "childhood home" pictures, its for the licensing fee. Besides, its in Ellen's best interest to say the same statement that you posted above - the licensing fees are all done with a wink & a nod anyways.

The kid had EVERY news outlet out there banging on his door with offers that I'm sure must have been in the high six-figures, maybe higher; said kid makes *maybe* $15/hour??? Besides, if you really don't want to make any money, why go on Ellen? I'm sure MGM would have been happy to host a press conference, get his story out there and then it's done. One hour in a ballroom, free help from MGM PR and security, and you're done with it if you really don't want any money from this.

It would be completely naive to think that he didn't get paid for the interview. Trust me, there's a whole PR machine of managers and agents working behind this kid right now.
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10-18-2017 , 08:50 PM
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Originally Posted by The Gamesman
Here's a lady who is pretty convincing that she and many others heard a lot of gunfire while inside near the Planet Hollywood area. If you then read the 1st comment made on the page someone posted actual video of all the chaos inside.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BXBf...t=1784.5884167

Here is some video of the chaos. Can anyone say if that looks like Planet Hollywood.

https://www.facebook.com/dioakim/vid...type=3&theater
Yes, that looks like the PH interior. The PH is at the south end of the Strip, just a couple blocks from the Mandalay, more than close enough to hear the gunfire if you were outside. Gunfire's loud AF. Not too surprising that you'd see a bit of chaos, likely exacerbated by lack of info as it was happening + word-of-mouth. There's 0 evidence of any gunfire anywhere other than from the shooter's suite in Mandalay; per investigators, reports of it in other casinos were caused by echos.
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10-18-2017 , 09:16 PM
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Originally Posted by johndoe82
Guess not


“We of course wanted to give you money, and you both were very, very specific. You said you don't want money, you don't want money at all, so you're not getting any money.”

http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-...017-story.html
BS that dude didn't travel cross country to sit with a bunch of whacko women for nothing.
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10-18-2017 , 09:18 PM
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Originally Posted by The Gamesman
Here's a lady who is pretty convincing that she and many others heard a lot of gunfire while inside near the Planet Hollywood area. If you then read the 1st comment made on the page someone posted actual video of all the chaos inside.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BXBf...t=1784.5884167

Here is some video of the chaos. Can anyone say if that looks like Planet Hollywood.

https://www.facebook.com/dioakim/vid...type=3&theater
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Originally Posted by Monorail
Yes, that looks like the PH interior. The PH is at the south end of the Strip, just a couple blocks from the Mandalay, more than close enough to hear the gunfire if you were outside. Gunfire's loud AF. Not too surprising that you'd see a bit of chaos, likely exacerbated by lack of info as it was happening + word-of-mouth. There's 0 evidence of any gunfire anywhere other than from the shooter's suite in Mandalay; per investigators, reports of it in other casinos were caused by echos.
From my experience with the area Planet Hollywood would be about a mile away, maybe more.. She claims she was inside the casino playing a slot machine with music and noisy machines 50 to 100 feet from the door to strip when she heard the shots. There was also a lady who described similar chaos in the Bellagio. From memory she said a window up front had been broken which is not 0 evidence.. There are several tall hotels between the Bellagio and Mandalay Bay, which would make it unlikely a bullet from MB could have shattered the glass. I don't have the time right now but maybe someone can look up that lady at the Bellagio who said the front glass was broken.
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10-18-2017 , 09:38 PM
The Gamesman, please give it a rest.

Thanks much.
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10-19-2017 , 06:01 AM
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Originally Posted by GentlemanJack
Yeah right

In the US, its frowned upon to pay for interviews (but its completely standard in other countries). So no one in the US technically "pays" for interviews. They get around it by paying "licensing fees" when they use the person's pictures or videos. So any time during the interview you see their "childhood home" pictures, its for the licensing fee. Besides, its in Ellen's best interest to say the same statement that you posted above - the licensing fees are all done with a wink & a nod anyways.

The kid had EVERY news outlet out there banging on his door with offers that I'm sure must have been in the high six-figures, maybe higher; said kid makes *maybe* $15/hour??? Besides, if you really don't want to make any money, why go on Ellen? I'm sure MGM would have been happy to host a press conference, get his story out there and then it's done. One hour in a ballroom, free help from MGM PR and security, and you're done with it if you really don't want any money from this.

It would be completely naive to think that he didn't get paid for the interview. Trust me, there's a whole PR machine of managers and agents working behind this kid right now.
I have no idea how this kind of stuff works but surely someone would be able to find out if he got paid for this no? Would seem super bad PR for Ellen to state this if it could be discovered later. Especially with the likes of Breitbart looking for any reasons to slander/transfer blame to this guy.

Maybe he wants to go on Ellen to clear his name so he's not a victim of the same kind of witch hunt that victims of Sandy Hook had to endure from nut job conspiracy theorists? Just spit-balling...
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10-19-2017 , 10:53 AM
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10-19-2017 , 11:00 AM
You are asking the wrong question. I believe they weren't paid by Ellen. The odd part is going on Ellen with only a few hours notice.
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10-19-2017 , 11:53 AM
Thanks for posting the video PP
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10-19-2017 , 02:59 PM
So, if there was a bidding war for the Campos interview, that would suggest that Hannity had an offer that was surpassed. So, how much was Hannity willing to pay? I always thought Hannity was a weird choice for a first appearance, so I would guess they were very aggressive in offering compensation.

I think it is likely that his media availability is being managed by MGM, even if they denied it. They paid for security to protect him. They put him up in a hotel suite for several days when conspiracy theorists were wondering why he disappeared.

Since eyewitness testimony is unreliable, even if Campos is 100% sincere, it is likely that small inconsistencies will pop up if he tells his story multiple times. Campos canceled a string of several media appearances, not just Hannity. It is in MGM's interest to have him just give a single, definitive media appearance to avoid giving unnecessary ammo for potential lawsuits.
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10-19-2017 , 07:16 PM
Were this Joe Schmoe that was staying in room 32-111, he would be free to charge whatever he wants, and could sell an exclusive interview to the highest bidder, or take on all comers.
These two are MGM employees that were covered by a collective bargaining agreement and on the clock when it went down. This is MGM managing the message via a talk show.
I believe it that Ellen did not pay them anything personally to appear, and nor did they pay anything out of pocket to get to LA and back.
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10-19-2017 , 07:49 PM
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Originally Posted by BDHarrison
So, if there was a bidding war for the Campos interview, that would suggest that Hannity had an offer that was surpassed. So, how much was Hannity willing to pay? I always thought Hannity was a weird choice for a first appearance, so I would guess they were very aggressive in offering compensation.

I think it is likely that his media availability is being managed by MGM, even if they denied it. They paid for security to protect him. They put him up in a hotel suite for several days when conspiracy theorists were wondering why he disappeared.

Since eyewitness testimony is unreliable, even if Campos is 100% sincere, it is likely that small inconsistencies will pop up if he tells his story multiple times. Campos canceled a string of several media appearances, not just Hannity. It is in MGM's interest to have him just give a single, definitive media appearance to avoid giving unnecessary ammo for potential lawsuits.
I agree with the latter but not the former. He's not an MGM drone and MGM aren't the only people out there with a PR staff. There's plenty of firms that do nothing but manage PR and I'm sure they made a good pitch to the kid and are now representing him.

MGM would love nothing more than to present the story once and be done, just as you describe. This kid is not doing that - he won't have to work for MGM or anyone else once this is all said and done.
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10-19-2017 , 07:51 PM
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Originally Posted by TheJacob
You are asking the wrong question. I believe they weren't paid by Ellen. The odd part is going on Ellen with only a few hours notice.
Because that's how media works. They probably had him on a private plane waiting while the deals went down. The calls go one way, you fly to NYC, they go the other way, you send the plane to LA.

Again, completely naive to think that the kid or Ellen are part of any altruistic plan here, the money faucet is most certainly flowing.
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10-19-2017 , 08:13 PM
If you watch to the end of the interview he did score Raiders season tickets once they move to Vegas.
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10-23-2017 , 05:00 AM
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Originally Posted by inmyrav
Strange coincidence that this happened just before the release date for the JFK documents?
Lol
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