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Old Yesterday, 11:48 AM   #476
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Re: Las Vegas Mass Shooting October 1st 2017 - No Politics or Gun Control Discussion

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WTF? Firing into a crowd of people with automatic weapons for no reason whatsoever makes no sense....can we instantly rule out that this even happened?

I don't believe a conspiracy of any kind took place here, but until this massive void of "why" is filled, nothing is going to make sense.
There is not likely a "why" that will make sense to people and no specific "why" is likely to be revealed in any instance.

You might read The Bridge of San Luis Rey ,a fictional work on the topic of researching the "why" of a tragedy, won the 1928 Pulitzer Prize:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Br...f_San_Luis_Rey
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Old Yesterday, 11:48 AM   #477
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Still would like to see the video of shooter checking in and who was in garage, elevators and stairwells with him (since, apparently, there is no hallway video) when carrying his bags full of guns and ammo.

Also video inside elevators at time of shooting to see if those inside react in any way to sound of gunfire/loud noise could pinpoint the exact time that the first shot was fired inside the hotel.

If people are spreading "crazy" conspiracies it is largely because of how poorly the investigation has been communicated to the public and the families of the deceased. As noted, the best case scenario at this point is incompetence.
Cops already said they looked at all the times he was caught on camera that week and nobody was ever with him.

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WTF? Firing into a crowd of people with automatic weapons for no reason whatsoever makes no sense....can we instantly rule out that this even happened?

I don't believe a conspiracy of any kind took place here, but until this massive void of "why" is filled, nothing is going to make sense.
No automatic weapons were involved.
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Old Yesterday, 12:45 PM   #478
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Re: Las Vegas Mass Shooting October 1st 2017 - No Politics or Gun Control Discussion

It seems to me that the probability of a conspiracy here is vanishingly low.
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Old Yesterday, 12:50 PM   #479
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WTF? Firing into a crowd of people with automatic weapons for no reason whatsoever makes no sense....can we instantly rule out that this even happened?



I don't believe a conspiracy of any kind took place here, but until this massive void of "why" is filled, nothing is going to make sense.

Nihilism for the win. Isn’t it mildly delusional for us to think that any of our narratives with respect to motivation are in any way complete or accurate? In edge cases they may be, but we as humans understand far less about our own motivations than we think we do.
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Old Yesterday, 12:51 PM   #480
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Cops already said they looked at all the times he was caught on camera that week and nobody was ever with him.







No automatic weapons were involved.

That’s a nit point. Bump stocks are functionally just that, albeit at a lower ROF.
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Old Yesterday, 12:52 PM   #481
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There is not likely a "why" that will make sense to people and no specific "why" is likely to be revealed in any instance.

You might read The Bridge of San Luis Rey ,a fictional work on the topic of researching the "why" of a tragedy, won the 1928 Pulitzer Prize:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Br...f_San_Luis_Rey

That looks as though it might be really good. How is it stylistically?
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Old Yesterday, 01:09 PM   #482
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I 'love' dudes like you who instantly call people tinfoil hat wearing freaks without any sort of research on your end. You just eat whatever media feeds you and then parrot and support it. Was Las Vegas massacre a conspiracy? I dont know and yout dont know either so stop with your tinfoil hat bull****. Conspiracies do happen. There is evidence about conspiracies from past. Did you even study recent history or do you just take whatever your schoolbooks tell you as a dogma?

do yourself a favor and google operation northwoods, proven conspiracies since around JFK's time as president. so easy for ppl to jump down the throat of someone going against what the mass media is broadcasting daily, gotta stay woke....

Last edited by 315to912; Yesterday at 01:11 PM. Reason: didn't mean that directed at krataman, just other people in here trying to give him and others **** for being "nuts"
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Old Yesterday, 01:28 PM   #483
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I have never understood the almost pathological fascination with conspiracy theories in the USA. Especially when there are no facts to back them up people just seem to pull them out of thin air.
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Old Yesterday, 01:33 PM   #484
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do yourself a favor and google operation northwoods, proven conspiracies since around JFK's time as president. so easy for ppl to jump down the throat of someone going against what the mass media is broadcasting daily, gotta stay woke....

Yes, and northwoods never happened, presumably because JFK realized that it would be political suicide if it came to light.
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Old Yesterday, 01:34 PM   #485
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Except Operation Northwoods was rejected by the President, it's advocate fired and the proposal was release into the public domain and reported by the media. Can you name a false flag operation since JFK that was carried out?
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Old Yesterday, 01:43 PM   #486
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off topic for this event folks. These kind of drifts will result in the thread getting closed.
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Old Yesterday, 03:45 PM   #487
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WTF? Firing into a crowd of people with automatic weapons for no reason whatsoever makes no sense....can we instantly rule out that this even happened?
There's a mountain of irrefutable evidence that it happened, so yes it makes sense to think it happened. However, we could instantly rule out that it never happened, for example. Because that would make no sense.
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I have never understood the almost pathological fascination with conspiracy theories in the USA. Especially when there are no facts to back them up people just seem to pull them out of thin air.
One theory is that, at least for some people, belief in conspiracy theories functions as a psychological defense mechanism, creating an explanation for an otherwise incomprehensible world.
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Old Yesterday, 05:16 PM   #489
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One theory is that, at least for some people, belief in conspiracy theories functions as a psychological defense mechanism, creating an explanation for an otherwise incomprehensible world.
religious belief has significant overlap with this
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Old Yesterday, 05:22 PM   #490
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Hard facts for consideration by all about the events:
1) Stephen Paddock had verifiably purchased most, if not all, of the guns needed for this attack. These guns were found in his room.
2) He also was verifiably using the room from which the shootings took place.
3) In hundreds of CCTV images of the shooter in the days before the shooting he was ALWAYS alone.
4) There is no evidence of any other shooters or other venues from which any shooting took place.
5) He shot for around 10 minutes using devices that enabled 150+ rounds per minute to be fired (i.e. he had the time and the means to fire multiple times more bullets than there were injuries).

Where's the conspiracy? It's SFO that he was a lone shooter with the means to do this. Who cares if we can't comprehend why he did it? (most likely reason being for the infamy).
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Old Yesterday, 07:13 PM   #491
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Hard facts for consideration by all about the events:
1) Stephen Paddock had verifiably purchased most, if not all, of the guns needed for this attack. These guns were found in his room.
2) He also was verifiably using the room from which the shootings took place.
3) In hundreds of CCTV images of the shooter in the days before the shooting he was ALWAYS alone.
4) There is no evidence of any other shooters or other venues from which any shooting took place.
5) He shot for around 10 minutes using devices that enabled 150+ rounds per minute to be fired (i.e. he had the time and the means to fire multiple times more bullets than there were injuries).

Where's the conspiracy? It's SFO that he was a lone shooter with the means to do this. Who cares if we can't comprehend why he did it? (most likely reason being for the infamy).
He was CIA pilot and involved with Jesus the security guard (an undercover FBI agent) in a potential gunrunning scheme selling to potential ISIS fighters for major attack. The sale went bad and the group killed and wounded the sellers and used the weapons before leaving.

The FBI is covering their tracks and involvement.
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Old Yesterday, 07:54 PM   #492
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e1cnr. I also have heard this theory (not that I believe it or any other one since I was in so cal and only seen whats on tv). I seen this spoken about on a video sent as a message (I didn't even want it sent to me to have). I believe there was a teamers for trump attachment on it but I cant 100% verify where it was from sorry. maybe someone more savy than I can locate it. it was a bald white or Mexican guy tattoos in a home at night (says something about his wife mad so late)
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Old Yesterday, 09:32 PM   #493
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He was CIA pilot and involved with Jesus the security guard (an undercover FBI agent) in a potential gunrunning scheme selling to potential ISIS fighters for major attack. The sale went bad and the group killed and wounded the sellers and used the weapons before leaving.

The FBI is covering their tracks and involvement.
Found on internet so it must be true
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Old Yesterday, 10:13 PM   #494
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I've been thinking a lot about this recently and I'm putting the following out there for chatter:

I think that Las Vegas, Mesquite and Reno are in unique cultural and geographic space and I'm not surprised that Paddock came from these cities. This is because (1) the gun culture is very prevalent in these cities and (2) there's plenty of space and opportunity to practice firing basically anything you want.

When I first moved to Las Vegas, I came here from CA and I was never a gun owner. But a friend in Vegas reminded me of how different the laws were here. I looked into it and 3 days later I had my own, beautiful Glock 23. Virtually everywhere you go you see posters for affordable CCW lessons and I pursued that too. They even have classes out there that will teach you to make your own AR-15. $900 and one long Saturday class later, I had my first AR. All of these things are VERY common in Las Vegas and all of Nevada. Most people have "pick up 2000 rounds of ammo" on their todo list that (like you) also includes going to the dry cleaners and then picking up the kids. Guns are just something that people "do" here. Look at the Clark County Shooting Complex - that's basically a world-class facility for shooting that was built with public funds; obviously they wouldn't have built it if there wasn't a public demand for it, right?

Second, Nevada is basically all BLM lands with some cities in between. That means that they are free to access, free to camp, hunt and basically do whatever you want on them. Sure, there's rules about which parts of lands you pick to shoot on, but there's (effectively) very few restrictions on where and/or how often you can shoot. From my doorstep in LV, I can take various highways that will take me to 3 or 4 great shooting spots all within a 30-40 minute drive and no need for a 4x4 - yes, the spots are on dirt roads but basically accessible no matter what kind of car you have. Friends have told me that BLM lands are monitored by rangers but most of their interactions with you are about making sure you pick up your shells & trash and that you don't go off-roading in conservation areas (like for desert turtles). They're basically never monitoring how long/often you are out there and what you're shooting with. I have personally gone shooting & hunting out on these lands dozens & dozens of times and I have never had an encounter with a ranger.

Basically, I cannot think of any other large metropolitan area where shooting is so accessible. If someone can come up with one, I'd love to hear it. Sure, if you live in the backwoods of Texas, I'm sure you can shoot all day. But Las Vegas has 2M people yet you can be at a shooting spot in the same amount of time that some of you drive to the gym or something like that. Think about that - someone out here could make shooting an AR-15 a part of their daily routine if they wanted to; they could work a full day and then still be able to fire off 500 rounds of ammo in the desert after work and then be home in time for dinner. I cannot think of any other major city that would make that possible.

So, I'm putting this out there not for the debate on gun control, but to add some perspective to how it is out here. I think that if you're reading this from another metropolitan area, it might hard to imagine how someone could get that many guns ready and also practice with them. It basically sounds unfathomable to some people while someone in Las Vegas thinks of it as absolutely possible, even easy.
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Old Yesterday, 10:25 PM   #495
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That's a great theory except he is from Florida. He moved to vegas only recently.

I think all this speculation is moot. I think he just wanted to be infamous like his father and was getting old so he went for it.
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Old Yesterday, 10:34 PM   #496
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That's a great theory except he is from Florida. He moved to vegas only recently.

I think all this speculation is moot. I think he just wanted to be infamous like his father and was getting old so he went for it.
Not sure who you were replying to but his connections to Nevada go much further than "only recently" and I haven't seen any reports that say he ever lived in Vegas. His home records in Reno & Mesquite (which both have similar geography to Las Vegas vis-a-vis my earlier post) go back at least a few years.
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