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Landon Tice lays 9bb to Perkins: HU challenge Landon Tice lays 9bb to Perkins: HU challenge

07-06-2021 , 07:28 PM
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Originally Posted by SketchBoi
Lambdung is the victim here, he was 2nd place K-3 in Native American chess. His backers actions are the most recent example in a long line of other cultures exploiting Native Americans for financial gains.
Next time you're on Indian land

Be careful what you say about the Native Americans
07-06-2021 , 07:47 PM
As I said before, perkins/mj podcast end of april they said it had been 2 months of 5-6 coaching sessions per week, so perkins certainly put some work in for the challenge - how good he is or not is debatable though.


07-06-2021 , 07:53 PM
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Originally Posted by 1BigOT
The 2nd thing I ever heard about LT is that he doesnt drink or drug (which is commendable) but immediately makes it probable he's a sociopath.
I do vaguely remember hearing this.. so Joey sat there eating edibles while this poor kid London times sat there all sober
07-06-2021 , 08:14 PM
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Originally Posted by kimoser22
Also as far as 6-max cash was he a winner on ACR above 200NL??? not trying to dunk on him to hard, because I wouldn't be, just curious
Never played ring with him on ACR but he was better than most MSNL regs on WSOP.nv

I'm sure he would beat Bovada 500nl at a good WR. ACR 400-600nl is very close to those games in terms of difficulty.

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I would imagine DN would beat Landon straight up.
I agree with this and don't think it'd even be that close. Landon came into the challenge probably having played fewer than 30k hands of HU lifetime.
07-06-2021 , 09:02 PM
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Originally Posted by TreadLightly
As I said before, perkins/mj podcast end of april they said it had been 2 months of 5-6 coaching sessions per week, so perkins certainly put some work in for the challenge - how good he is or not is debatable though.



Correct me if I'm wrong but to me that's some pretty serious **** for a game that has like 6 total preflop spots and 3 postflop spots

**Clickr post on page 30 for anyone wondering fyi
07-06-2021 , 09:16 PM
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Originally Posted by sungar78
Correct me if I'm wrong but to me that's some pretty serious **** for a game that has like 6 total preflop spots and 3 postflop spots

**Clickr post on page 30 for anyone wondering fyi
Prob cause it's a game with more than "6 total preflop spots and 3 postflop spots" lmao
07-06-2021 , 09:19 PM
Clicker is a dumbass for saying these things in a 20 person discord.
JMO/Doug Polk are the biggest ****s in poker.
Hope S4Y go bankrupt.
07-06-2021 , 09:38 PM
There's been word on the Twitter streets that Landon is mildly autistic or on the spectrum, it sure seems like it & Joey the #1 poker influencer was trying to make his wish come true of becoming a poker savant prodigy lol (when did Joey start doing Make-a-Wish campaign)
Joey judges poker players by there cash game results in PLO so hopefully he learns from this to, Landon is done he will not recover from this he is not mentally tuff enuff
07-06-2021 , 10:10 PM
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Originally Posted by YaBoyINthe604
There's been word on the Twitter streets that Landon is mildly autistic or on the spectrum, it sure seems like it & Joey the #1 poker influencer was trying to make his wish come true of becoming a poker savant prodigy lol (when did Joey start doing Make-a-Wish campaign)
Joey judges poker players by there cash game results in PLO so hopefully he learns from this to, Landon is done he will not recover from this he is not mentally tuff enuff
someone on twitter, of all places, says someone is autistic and you think that's actually true? without having met the guy? lmao
07-06-2021 , 10:16 PM
Landon looks bad, Solve4why looks bad, Jmo looks like an eternal ego pusher.

Bill Perkins somehow looks good?

This whole thing sucks.
07-06-2021 , 11:24 PM
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Originally Posted by H0RUS


lol
07-06-2021 , 11:30 PM
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Originally Posted by f1tz
someone on twitter, of all places, says someone is autistic and you think that's actually true? without having met the guy? lmao
No I went by Landons own twitter & his strange appearances on Joeys livestreams, there is something off about him & no1 can deny that!
I'm surprised there hasn't been more talk about him being on the spectrum as lots of people on twitter have started pointing this out now that his aura of being great has disappeared
07-07-2021 , 12:07 AM
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Originally Posted by YaBoyINthe604
No I went by Landons own twitter & his strange appearances on Joeys livestreams, there is something off about him & no1 can deny that!
I'm surprised there hasn't been more talk about him being on the spectrum as lots of people on twitter have started pointing this out now that his aura of being great has disappeared
"lots of people are saying"


Thanks Donald
07-07-2021 , 12:52 AM
He isn't autistic. He has social anxiety and just looked like he really wanted to fit in. You can see him on some older YouTube videos he is trying to act like Joey but he is too awkward. He needs psych meds of some sort. I would start him on Zoloft probably and see how he feels in 6 weeks. Edit - Probably some lorazepam for if he ever needs to go on a podcast again.
07-07-2021 , 12:56 AM
He squeaked into the money tonight in the 2k online event.
07-07-2021 , 01:04 AM
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Originally Posted by djz
Never played ring with him on ACR but he was better than most MSNL regs on WSOP.nv

I'm sure he would beat Bovada 500nl at a good WR. ACR 400-600nl is very close to those games in terms of difficulty.


I agree with this and don't think it'd even be that close. Landon came into the challenge probably having played fewer than 30k hands of HU lifetime.
Beating 500NL+ on ACR is the challenge he should do and I'd still bet against him.
07-07-2021 , 01:19 AM
This thread is beyond belief !

People talking about his sexuality

Speculating if he is on the spectrum

Disrespecting his MILF
07-07-2021 , 01:46 AM
Two plus two psychologists on the case lads
07-07-2021 , 02:07 AM
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Originally Posted by snowie963
He isn't autistic. He has social anxiety and just looked like he really wanted to fit in. You can see him on some older YouTube videos he is trying to act like Joey but he is too awkward. He needs psych meds of some sort. I would start him on Zoloft probably and see how he feels in 6 weeks. Edit - Probably some lorazepam for if he ever needs to go on a podcast again.
lol.
07-07-2021 , 02:44 AM
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Originally Posted by LoadingitUP
Beating 500NL+ on ACR is the challenge he should do and I'd still bet against him.
All you people saying he couldn't beat some online games...how many hands of them have you played? Or even watch the games from a streamer?

He's streamed himself beating MSNL. Seriously he is a fine player with a really bright future. Re: his social media content, wtf do you guys expect from a 22yo virgin who never drinks or does drugs?

I was watching someone stream nl1k blitz+reg tables tonight on twitch (komododragonjesus) and there lots of halfstackers and literal 40 vpip whales in the games. Think people have a pretty skewed perception of poker.,
07-07-2021 , 03:22 AM
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Originally Posted by djz
All you people saying he couldn't beat some online games...how many hands of them have you played? Or even watch the games from a streamer?

He's streamed himself beating MSNL. Seriously he is a fine player with a really bright future. Re: his social media content, wtf do you guys expect from a 22yo virgin who never drinks or does drugs?

I was watching someone stream nl1k blitz+reg tables tonight on twitch (komododragonjesus) and there lots of halfstackers and literal 40 vpip whales in the games. Think people have a pretty skewed perception of poker.,
The majority of 2+2 would struggle to break even in play money games. What do you expect lmao?
07-07-2021 , 03:28 AM
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Originally Posted by TheTyman9
Landon at some point mentioned after losing a bunch of money in live cash thinking he'd be in makeup for a long time grinding back out of it at lower stakes. But then went on some tourney heat to clear it quickly. It's not like he can just go bust a handful of 5k's and 10k's, drop 200k and then go off on his own. It's basically a makeup deal unless there's terms we don't know about.

If he's making less money over the life of the deal than he otherwise would have than it actually sets him up to be backed longer. He can learn bankroll management in any other deal or playing on his own (and assumedly already understood bankroll mgmt before the deal).

So for example let's assume he's going to be playing mostly 2knl to start on this deal. He can't afford those games so he takes this backing deal. Let's assume he has a 3bb/100 winrate in these games. So $60 for every 100 hands played of which he keeps $18. So he's making $18/100 hands on avg under this deal where he gets to play bigger than he otherwise would be able to to start off. Then let's assume his other option is to grind mostly 500nl to start. If he took a mediocre 50/50 backing deal and has a 6bb/100 winrate he'd be making $15/100 hands. If he can bankroll himself at 500nl, which he should be able to he's all the way up to $30/100 hands. And because the opponents are less good and the number of games available more plentiful he can probably play more hands per hour, making it an even better situation. Then as he's crushing 500nl he can still shot take bigger games on his own and get 100% of the upside or if he wants to mitigate risk can sell to bigger things individually based on how aggressive he wants to be with his roll. I definitely would be interested if you can give a quick example of how this deal could be good for him. Because without it including tons of really good coaching or including access to soft live private games I don't see how the numbers ever work out on his favor.
Sure - not disputing anything you're saying on the numbers but r.e the Make Up part, Berkey on the podcast specifically said the deal was not a make-up deal, it was like investing capital into a start up business (Landon's Poker Bankroll) so the deal doesn't come with an obligation for them to give him another $200k and he continue to grind it out needing to be at $400k before he made money.

I'm not sure why this would = Landon being "allowed" to blast off 200k playing 5ks - it's a good opportunity for him to do it properly. I think your assumptions regarding his winrate at 10/20, 500z and bankroll before this is probably incorrect though - most likely he didn't have any proper bankroll for anything and no completely rock solid track record on any stakes (this isn't a dig at Landon at all, this is just how most of these deals commence) most likely he was a good personable kid who showed some promise and they decided to take a bit of a punt and invest in him. Giving 50/50 and wedging him in make-up for ages if it goes wrong no use to anyone so structure a deal like this. Much, much better.

I agree it does set him up to be backed slightly longer, when he's +$300k he's essentially had 50% of the upside and now gets 70% - at this stage he'd have $150k invested in his $500k poker bankroll (30%) but he gets 70% of the action, which is essentially "easing" himself into the world of playing on his own, I'd like to see levels above tbh where he gets 80%/20% before he ultimately cashes his share of the bankroll and goes solo

If like you are saying though, that it comes with a make-up commitment and Landon had a provable 3bb/100 winrate at 10 20 nl and 6bb/100 at zoom alongside a workable bankroll of his own, then I would completely agree with you, it's not that great.
07-07-2021 , 03:43 AM
I don't see how Landon being on the spectrum, if he even is at all, has anything to do with how well he can play poker. Isn't Jungle on it? And how long was he considered one of the top players in the world.
07-07-2021 , 04:20 AM
in b4 Longdong binks a main
07-07-2021 , 04:20 AM


Hey Perk buddy, you're great Perk. Congratulations Perk. We're friends, right Perk?

      
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