Hey guys be very careful and Anaheim newport beach area . A second private poker game has been raided by police for a illegal gambling in the last 3 months . Money laundering and illegal bookmaking the players are saying . Happened last Wednesday . Police arrrsted 2 dealers and house guy and confiscated everyone money and jewelry . Just a heads up to everyone in the La california area

I was just on my way there smh. U turn! Thanks John

public casinos prob finally using the money they give to the policeman's ball to call in a few favors. its getting cut throat out there!!!

Where am I gonna go to get my drugs and massage from escorts now?

Yeah...but we all know you love the drama

Is confiscating jewelry standard in these kind of raids? Seems odd.

Yup. **** the blue, and anyone who backs them.

I wondered the same. With a lot of warrants it does allow the police to confiscate like...everything. Cars, money, contraband, etc. But jewelry that they're physically wearing on them? I don't get it.

If you want to go down the rabbit hole look up civil asset forfeiture. Our great law enforcement system has created legalized theft. Police are not only allowed, but have an economic incentive to seize property for any reason they can imagine and the burden shifts to the person to prove the money or other assets are not from criminal activity. Lots of innocent people have had their assets stolen with no recourse other than a protracted and expensive legal process. Often the cost is higher than the value of the seized assets so they just give up.

Absolutely. Anything of value can be taken so long as there is sufficient justification that this money is the result of a criminal enterprise, or you have plans to use it to carry out a crime. Either through criminal asset forfeiture or civil asset forfeiture depending on how they choose to go after it. In either case many times you would have to specifically prove it is not the proceeds of a crime.

It is actually a useful penalty if not abused, but the practice has come under scrutiny in recent years for its abuse by police departments. I don’t think they would have an easy time getting their stuff back in this case however.

As for OP? I’m sort of ambivalent on it. People were getting so brazen about home games and this was bound to happen eventually. Do I really care that people were running home games because they don’t pay taxes? No. But on the other hand I really don’t know what else goes on in these circles so for all I know they could be getting their money from gangsters/criminals dumping money into the game. It really depends on what is actually going on here for me to say these people deserve what’s happening to them.

Wonder who degen criminals like you call when the **** hits the fan.

I guess if I don't want my cash and assets seized by criminal police and agencies that makes me a degenerate criminal. Got it! Keep fighting the good fight you brain dead moron 💪

For all the taxes I pay (which I'm sure are much more than most in this thread besides Limon lol) I'd have some nerve to call them right??

Back the blue until it happens to you. Anyone who still thinks our criminal justice system / law enforcement is not systemically broken is willfully ignorant. The profile of those attracted to law enforcement combined with a culture that values (and enforces) a us vs the world mentality and retribution against any cops who dare speak out = a system that cannot be reformed.

Qualified immunity needs to end ASAP. I live in Los Angeles and we have documented and known gangs that operate within the LA County sheriff. Easy to goggle this, but they have names like the executioners, banditos, reapers, etc. These gangs have initiation rights and get tattoos for shooting civilians. Although just one department, police brutality is common across law enforcement and many rural areas are no better than the days when corrupt cops, prosecutors, and judges reigned with impunity.

Anyone who wants to do even a little research will be surprised how broken the system is. The link below gives a history of the LASD and lest you think things have changed there are several recent incidents of unjustified beatings and deaths at the hands of sheriff's.

https://knock-la.com/tradition-of-vi...-gang-history/

95%++ of what police do is honest, helpful and necessary. the problem is when you carry a gun and have a license to kill you can't be corrupt 5% of the time. the police need to be held to a much higher standard as the enforcers of the state and most of the officers want this as well!!!

I used to share that view, but have to fundamentally disagree. The notion of a few bad apples does not hold when the blue wall of silence requires all officers to cover bad behavior. I can give thousands of incidents of clear police brutality against vulnerable and innocent civilians and the behavior is tolerated and cleared at every level of review.

As an example, one LA county sheriff deputy had to be transferred around because she was afraid for her life after speaking out. She was told back up would not come and actually had other deputies stalking and intimidating her.

Any good cops either adopt the culture, look the other way, or tap out. Traffic stops with mistaken identities because an incompetent cop calls in the wrong id or license plate turn into shootings of innocent civilians when the cop perceives a hand movement as a threat to their safety. Ego driven cops demanding ids with no basis often ends in a beating with the cops knowing they are shielded by qualified immunity.

The list is too long for a poker thread, but anyone who does even a little research will quickly realize that the current criminal justice system is totally broken beyond repair.

Coincidentally, I told my lady last month we should buy her a replica watch to wear to these games, because I felt there was too much risk wearing authentic jewellery.

I thought the big danger was criminal heists, but apparently the bigger danger is copper heists.

This is what happens when you advertise these games on popular, highly viewed Vlogs.

civil forfeiture from cops is a higher annual dollar amount than the money lost from all theft larceny burglary etc.

If anyone needs proof of how systemically broken law enforcement is - check out this story about a poker player from commerce who was obviously targeted for a stop by the Los Angeles sheriff's deputy who stole his money. He initially complained and then went dark out of fear of the gangs (one in particular) that are widely known to operate inside the LASD.

https://www.latimes.com/california/s...t-deputy-gangs

L.A. gonna L.A.

Taking jewelry makes it sound like a robbery to me, with the inside people 'arrested' being confederates.

It seems inconsistent not to back the blue unless you don't support government power in general, since the blue is the government's enforcement mechanism.

In my case, I support a full disestablishment and liquidation of government because I believe all causes, including security, can be better provided through private contributions. But if you don't share this view, I don't see how you can support government laws at all, considering you oppose the enforcement mechanism. What alternative would you use to enforce whatever laws you do agree with?

I think we could make some very simply changes that would have an immediate impact in the short term. The first would be to have a separate entity enforce traffic laws that does not have the ability to arrest or detain for any other related matters. Sure some people with outstanding warrants who would have been arrested will not be, but those are far fewer than the times when cops find a way to escalate a simple stop and it ends up with someone dead or on the other end of a beating. People also need to stop calling 911 when they see someone "suspicious" as that often results in an aggro cop making angry demands without telling the person what is happening and going hands on if the person has the temerity to ask what is happening. Even with no underlying crime that person will get a beat down followed by charges they obstructed and assaulted the cop. I could give hundreds of examples of incidents in just the last 1-2 years and this is in a time when cops are being recorded (either via their body camera or a smart phone). Imagine how they operated when they knew no one would actually see what happened.

One of the most immediate needs is to end qualified immunity so cops can be accountable for their actions. It is a doctrine that was created by the courts and has resulted in cops having carte blanche to operate with impunity. The other side will say cops cannot do their jobs if they are worried they will be second guessed for split second decisions, but that is a very small fraction of when qualified immunity is invoked and in those cases a jury would most likely side with the cops. The evil of qualified immunity is that innocent victims of outrageous and often illegal police conduct have no path to be made whole. In these cases the juries would overwhelmingly side against law enforcement, but the cases never get to trial as the judge will dismiss based on qualified immunity.

Also, we need to create a system for those who end up in the criminal justice system due to substance abuse and mental illness. Decriminalizing pot is a no-brainer, but beyond that we have way too many people incarcerated simply because society would rather lock them up then address the real issue. Jail / prison is about the worst place for these people. In addition, conditions in jails / prisons are beyond terrible and will almost always result in the opposite of rehabilitation. The public would be outraged if they saw dogs in conditions like many prisoners yet very few know how bad it is and others who think that anyone in jail deserves whatever conditions that entails. Putting aside that retribution should never be the goal, the cost to society is immense as the recidivism rate for those incarcerated is very high.

Ultimately the real fix is for people to wake the f up and demand change. Even our feckless politicians would help drive change if it was an issue they thought mattered to their constituents. Unfortunately most people are unaware of how problematic this is within law enforcement until it happens to them. Back the blue until it happens to you.

I also believe that law enforcement has a very real issue with systemic racism, but I respect that others may not hold that view (I did not until I did more research on the matter). I live in Los Angeles and like many areas we have seen a spike in crime; however, the police are pretty useless in stopping it. They would rather spend their time terrorizing vulnerable people than solving crimes. Even in the best of circumstances cops are usually called upon to solve a crime that has occurred rather than a crime in process.

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