this logic seriously made me lol. dude, get real. yeah ok, so this filthy rich businessmen decides, "hey, maybe i'll rob that kid for $2700."

are you serious man?

and joran leaves with 2 suitcases and another bag. and the girl decides, "hey, i'll just stay in this room. what the hell. i don't feel like walking back to my own room. i'll just camp out in this complete strangers room for awhile."

and joran decides, "meh, i'm so bored at this casino. i know i booked my room for 11 nights, but i'm bored after 3 nights. i think i'll pack my bags and leave. the girl can just stay in the room. meh."

hopefully you can see how ******ed your logic is now

Unlikely since it was Stephanie that won money not Joran. So clearly Joran had more motive to rob the girl than Garcia had to rob Joran.

It doesn't stand to reason that Joran would kill her for money, particularly if he had the money to play in the LAPT ME. It also doesn't stand to reason that Garcia would try to rob him. The statements, however, about fear of his being kidnapped may point to something much more sinister that has yet to be revealed. Clearly there is much more going on here than meets the eye. It hardly seems an open and shut case.

If this Garcia or others had entered the Hotel or Jorans room then it obviously would have been caught on the hotel security cameras so no way this happened. The video evidence from the hotel clearly shows Joran and the girl entering the hotel and his room together. It later shows Joran leaving his room and the hotel alone without the girl.. No one else entered or left his room in between so case closed.

If the footage doesnt show any other people, then why the hell is he so dumb to dont check for camera's i mean come on.. You seriously gonna kill someone why there is a camera on your door? Lol joran the idiot

The article said this Garcia told the casino his concerns regarding the pair of them, the casino had details of where he was staying, for whatever reason - maybe tournament registration/maybe some other reason (I have never played live or in a casino, only online, so am not familiar with that sort of stuff...) and contacted the hotel, who opened the door and found the girl's body.
There could be something sinister in Garcia's involvement but according to the article it doesn't look like it.

new video footage of joran vandersloot getting questioned by authorites on msn.com

i wish they'd interview him and just ask him "wtf were u thinking?"

Thank god he's still alive I haven't escrowed the $100 wager yet.

yeah.

but i wonder what actually happened. i wouldn't put it past him to do some pretty crazy things. supposedly he got fronted this 15k by the holloways/us government to try to nab him for extorting the holloways. at the time he's nearly broke but decides that he'll run good in poker and books flight/trip to peru for the tournament. he goes to peru and before the main event loses all his money in cash games (it's all on camera) and comes up with the plan to try to court this girl who won a bunch of huge pots against him...lure her back to his room and end her? that doesn't seem so likely but maybe he befriended her in a more normal manner at a bar or something and then was caught red handed stealing cash from her and then he snapped. the 5 years to the day after the nh tragedy is pretty significant i think but only if you also think the train bombings being 911 days after 9/11 is also significant.

i don't know how much longer he'll be around for...think what his life must be like now compared to what he must have been doing in the days leading up to the murder. drinking drugs the whole deal...how he's in a jail cell in a foreign country coming off of stuff. yikes.

No windows in hotels all walls are solid

the hotel he was at has about 15 stories and the first floor is a restaurant. Very unlikely that spider man committed this crime.
You can see the hotel at :40 of this video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VY62MfkkmoY

This is correct. If you don't kill anyone it's not likely you'll be framed for it. In fact, it's such a big city that you stand a good chance of being able to get away with it if you actually did want to kill or rob someone or deal drugs or something as long as you were careful about it.

My fiance is from Lima and she has about a zillion relatives over there as well as friends and former classmates, etc. She doesn't know of any acquaintance of hers that has ever gotten in trouble with the law in any way much less seen the inside of a jail/prison.

In the meanwhile, I was kind of friends or high school acquaintances in the U.S. with more than a couple people who ended up doing some amount of prison time for drugs or messing with little kids, etc.

Lima has a pretty high crime rate especially in the bad parts of the city just like any other major city. It's about the same size as NYC. Although the area of the hotel in the Miraflores district is one of the nicest areas of Lima.

Machu Pichu is great to see in person. And there are lots of backpacking Americans, Euros and Australians hanging around and partying in the little clubs and bars in Cuzco (the city near Machu Pichu).

Don't be too scared by sensationalized movies with Claire Danes or that van der Sloot got caught in the most ridiculously obvious situation ever. You can travel to other places in the world and experience some pretty amazing things and shouldn't really have to worry about getting thrown into a 3rd world prison for 35 years. Being careful and somewhat smart shouldn't be the same thing as being paranoid.

nice fiance brag post Bob

Hadn't seen this video on here yet but shows what a punk van der sloot is ...he throws a glass of wine in the face of a reporter who had been grilling him about the natalie holloway case.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oyZEM...eature=related

you should watch the report that guy made on the case

typical american crap programs about crimes/gangsters with lots of drama and tension.(not dissing all american television, love you guys)

(there are subs for)

As of yet there have been no charges he is only being held.Why has it not been reported over and over that the video also shows him leaving at 8:10am in th same white shirt with two meals and two coffees.

At 8:30am he left the room period. Where is the footage for after 8:30am and for the last two days it took to find her. Even he is not that stupid to kill a girl in his own room where there is a direct link to him. And if you watch the video of him going in the room, He ALREADY had a buzz cut so no. He did not run out and cut his air. No marks found on him,No blood,No bloody clothes...Wheres the evidence ?? a video does not mean he killed her,ONLY that he was with her.

So he made two meals and two coffees in his hotel room? wow he's more talented then i expected. I assume you mean they took meals up to the room.

So you expect them to show the video footage for two days even though nobody else entered or left the room. That would be fun to watch. Of course i'm sure the police never thought of reveiwing the rest of the footage. Great idea. I think your on to something. No bloody clothes after two days? lol you watched the video right? he leaves in changed clothes looking like he just cleaned up. Seriously, why do people feel the need to try and defend this guy. I get the feeling if Ted Bundy or Charles Manson had just been caught there would be a whole bunch of posters on here defending him too.

not really defending the guy, he just hasnt been convicted of any murders ever.

for some reason I have a feeling vandersloot will get off again.. idk why I just got this gut feeling he will pull another hoodini.

He's NOT getting off in Peru. I'd bet my right nut on that. He's going to wind up in a prison like "Sona" in "Prison Break". He's NOT going to honestly have a "fair" hearing at all there. THere is NOT a jury of "his peers" like we have in America. The girls father is well connected, heck he ran for president. Basically this guys life is over fwiw.

I read a bit about prisons in India for one reason or another - pretty rough by I imagine anybodies standards - but it seemed to be if you can pay for it you get protected. Don't really see why it would be different in Peru tbh.

It's the newest GREAT way to kill someone and get away with it. Nobody is so stupid to leave the body in their own room...so anyone that does must be innocent! And he knows he's on camera with the girl...therefore he didn't kill her! (note the possibility that he doesn't even notice the cameras...and also the reasonable chance that the cameras aren't even functional and are just dressing which isn't uncommon)

Again: There have been multiple reports of blood-smeared walls so it's reasonable to think the clean-up job would have been pretty tricky regardless. The hotel is in a busy section of Lima. It is probably close to impossible to smuggle a body out of the neighborhood unnoticed.

Also note that his short hair was not red in the video of him at the hotel (I don't think). So he had clearly changed something about his appearance.

There's lots of potential reasons and logic why he went about it the way he did.
The fact that you wouldn't do it that way or you think one or more of the ways he went about it is particularly stupid is not a reason to believe he didn't do it.

For crying out loud:
- Video of them together
- The body was found in his room
- He was trying to get out of there and also changed his appearance.
- Blood stained walls
- I read a different article that when he was apprehended in Chile he had blood-stained clothes in his bag. Not sure if that one is correct though.
- And...oh yeah...he had admitted to others that he killed Holloway.


Go ahead and keep saying that there is somehow some amount of doubt about this. I'm as open-minded regarding the possibilities in these types of things as anyone I know really. But to deny the incredibly high likelihood that he killed her is insane.

Microbob i think they expected him to wear a helmet cam otherwise there is not near enough proof. lol

With his background in the Natalee Holloway case everything bad that will happen to him down there really feels like a freeroll!

For me as an observer no matter how sketchy the evidence under which he will be convicted will be it still will feel right to me.

Innocent until proven guilty of course, but barring evidence such as corroborated video evidence of a second person leaving that hotel room some point after him or suchlike, lets face it the psychopath did it.