When JJProdigy got caught - people underlined one standard point....he caught got- so he must be punished.

Regardless of how common certain activities are practiced online is irrelevent...unless you are coming up with ways to either change the rules or increase security measures.

you were laughed at because it was an absolutely ridiculous point. it still is. gross tournament winnings you see in cardplayer do not equal net worth. take away taxes, pieces other people had of him (if any - but a pretty startling % of circuit pros are backed), etc. if he ended up with much more than 1.5 mil in the bank net after his wins last year i'd be shocked.

a standard FT deal (ignoring the people saying his was better than some other tier 2 reds) could easily net him $250k a year playing halfway decent volume, and that's ignoring his actual winnings from the poker. why do you think that would not be a good idea? If I have $1.5m in the bank, and someone offers me a 250k bonus / year to do what i'm already doing, what possible reason could i have for turning it down?

it's not a slam, it's reality and part of what shane was trying to hit on earlier i think. (don't want to speak for you shane).

Many top pros have been caught multiaccounting, and John is the first I am familiar with to get punished.

I agree 100% with everything Shane said.

this is way different than what the cardrunners guys do.

Also, just to be completely clear, I really don't have a big problem with Full Tilt regarding their implementation of their T&C's, no matter how uneven, but the fact that they not only choose to do so but then make a public statement not only that they have terminated your contract, but the exact reason why, is pretty reprehensible and in America, highly actionable.


If FT was a US company, I'd think John would have a VERY solid lawsuit. There is a reason why companies refer all previous employment questions to HR; it's so some shmuck doesn't hinder a former employee's viability and open them up to litigation.

If you've got (let's say) $1.5 million in the bank, why would you even want to grind $100 sngs?

I became a poker player to avoid having to answer to anybody, especially a boss. I assume this is true for most pro poker players.

Then why, when a player has a considerable amount of success, would he want to give up his freedom to do exactly what the hell he wants to in order to take a deal from a poker site.

I promise you if I ever win a $1 million + in a poker tournament, I will never become a "sponsored pro".

Different shades of grey, yes, but grey nonetheless.

Warning? Absolutely not. Given the recent cheating scandals there should be and will be a zero tolerance policy for this crap. This type of bad behavior is why these lawmakers want online poker banned.

Shane,
Since you are so righteous and oft-praised for your moral compass: where do you draw the line between breaking the rules of your employer and breaking the laws of your government?"

It's actually pretty funny that a bunch of poekr plays who should be analytical can;t tell the difference between matasow and justice....

1. Matasow is not constantly allowing players to play on his account so they can abuse rakeback. Fiery just almost certainly is. There is a difference between allowing soemone to play for you once in awhile and deliberately f***ing ftp over so your friends get free rakeback too.

Essentially Justice was scaming them.

PS I think Matasow sucks in life, but what he did is 100% different.

orly? you are going to make sure of it?

Surely you don't mean the English government?

Because $1.5m really isn't that much money long term. Sorry if that blows your mind.

What freedom exactly is he giving up by getting paid more to do what he already planned to do? The freedom to accept a slightly better endorsement deal from the one company that could afford it but clearly isn't offering? The horrifying requirements of wearing a 2 inch patch on your shirt while you play 10ks?

Did you think he was going to completely stop doing a job he's good at and probably enjoys just because he achieved some success? I guess this has to be where we're differing opinion because you can't be saying that doing the same thing you'd normally do for more money is a bad idea.

You need to study your UIGEA sir.

Yes, Matusow is doing is for the same reason, if not more so considering he has a far better deal than John did. Plus, if I think I am playing Matusow HU, and it;s actually someone else, I have a BIG problem with that if FT is assuring me that it is actually him. Otherwise, I and other high stakes players just always assume you may always be playing Antonius.....

Make sure of it? I wish, really. If sites don't stick to a zero tolerance policy then online poker at least for the US won't be around for much longer.

Haha, I meant lawmakers. Nice catch.

I think he is refering to Shaniac smoking pot?

Well Matasow's behaviour is wrong (in so many ways), this is my point.

Justice was directly f**king over his boss. The point of his actions were to get even more free money out of fulltilt. It's pretty much the same as stealing from work, which everyone knows will get you fired just about anywhere.

Also Matasow is wuite frankly more important than justice, it;s like a low level employee stealing vs a manager. While it shouldn;t make a difference it obviously does. That;s business

Shaniac, if I ever win that much money I promise to rent out the top floor of the Chateau Marmont and have a month-long hookers and blow rager - just to make you proud. You can rest assured the money won't be lost on me.

I think it's because of his lame nickname.

or maybe because once he actually sat in the same car as Durrr (before it was flipped over by a mob of crazy micro stakes nut-huggers)

Fulltilt holding company are based in Cherrywood, just outside Dublin. He has no case in Irish law.

Durr getting owned

full tilt didnt like him takeing the piss out of the deal they gave him. abusing the rake back deal by(him and others) playing a stupid amount of sit and goes on his account. FJ prob too young to appreciate the value of the deal or the monies he has in the bank. he should have been more humble in his privleiged position. some people just dont see past the end of their nose tho. the rock stars of today are the carpet cleaners of tomorow.

Agree with everything Shaniac's said here.

And come on, let's put the G back in NVG... who are J Little's co-conspirators? z32 is the obvious choice since he basically stopped playing on Full Tilt and didn't play all that much on Stars during Little's SNG craze. Who else? Big Joe? Spacegravy? Who knows something?

How do you know that he don't got his 215 so STFU and MYOFB.