You sure that's not Austin? If not, I need the hookup on these Houston street fights.

I’m not sure I want to re google this to check it out..

But I could be wrong

I live in Southern California and my local casino does not cut the deck after it is taken out of the shuffle machine.

Several different posters in this thread have mentioned in this thread the complexity if the deck is cut. Well the deck in Texas may not have been cut. Whether the deck is cut after going through the shuffle machine is probably one of the most relevant details missing at this point. Has this detail been mentioned in the comments of Joey's video, any Texas FB page, anyone in this thread that played there, etc.?

honestly doubt it was the shufflers that got hacked, most likely just marked cards if they were cheating at all...

otherwise using the device that DC posted earlier in the thread, would need the dealer(s) in on it as they would have to quickly place the cards by the reader after they were cut but it wouldn't be that hard to do that for a little while...

There is a lot of misinformation in this thread about RFID and its limitations.

First off, you need an RFID deck of cards. They cost hundreds of dollars per set and the absolute second the last hand is dealt in a streamed game, the RFID deck is replaced with a regular deck. The casinos do not use these decks of cards unless they are required due to cost of replacing the cards. You will never encounter these cards outside of a live streamed game. Yes they feel slightly different than regular cards but not that much. Yes I have played on live stream games (a handful of times, including at Stones).

Secondly, it takes several seconds for the reader to pick up a card reliably. A card will not get picked up if it just skips over the reader. When I played, the dealer had to tell me to just put my cards on the reader, cover them, and leave them there for the hand. Anything less and they couldn't reliably pick up the cards.

In other words, RFID would be completely useless for sorting, ordering, or reading the order of the deck.

Shufflers do not have ethernet cables attached to them that I've ever seen. So if the technology does exist to control the deck order from a master shuffler, then it would have to be communicated via Wifi, (most likely), bluetooth, which is very unlikely IMO as it lacks sufficient security and range, or physical ethernet.

So if they are wifi-enabled then breaking into them will range somewhere between trivial and nearly impossible depending on how much time, effort, and common sense was put into the design. Knowing what I know about software and technology companies (easily my area of expertise) it is highly unlikely it's very difficult to crack one.

The conversation about cutting the deck is hilarious. Do you guys know that if you can control the order of the deck, it literally does not matter where you cut them? You can set the deck so that seat 5 loses to seat 9 every time.

Pretty sure thatÂ’s not true. Its definitely not true if the amount of players getting dealt in is varying and itÂ’s not input or the button gets messed up and doesnÂ’t get moved or moved twice. Even if it was itÂ’s irrelevant to fixing a game unless 7 other people are in on it. If you are in a game where 8 people are colluding against you itÂ’s near impossible to win anyways unless theyÂ’re brain dead.

I mean I guess IÂ’m kinda derailing the thread with this point was simply that fixing a deck precut is a very bizarre way to go about cheating. If they have access to the shuffler you would assume they have access to the decks. ThereÂ’s like 100 ways to fix a deck to cheat a game very easily but a shuffler being altered still requires a system in place and itÂ’s counterintuitively more complex then you would think to make it REALLY beneficial. Only benefit of fixing shufflers really is that you only need access to the shuffler once presumably if it doesn’t ever reset its software/patch where you would constantly need access to decks.

it's not true at all, what you have here is a classic example of someone once having a specific experience and believing that to be universal truth found everywhere

What are your thoughts on this thread?

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/2...g-deck-601216/

i'm not clicking that and assume it's about what you experienced

let me tell you about apples i say, you declare apples can't possibly exist because you've only eaten oranges, i point out that the existence of oranges doesn't mean the only thing in this world that is edible are oranges, you ignore that and share more stories of oranges so therefore in your mind apples can't possibly exist because you personally have only ever eaten oranges

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there's no point engaging with you until you realize how absurd you are

Berkey said new info coming out via texas cheating where new stories were coming out on them cheating with deckmate 2 shuffle machines how a few were added into the mix when a big tournament happened then there was a few new regs who were winning insane amounts of money i.e 10k in a 1/2 game / seperate stories of the machine being broken and the game not running with these regs or if the machine suddenly went down in a session game broke instead of moving etc


- Said they will go into more details tommorow after checking with his sources (on the solve4why daily podcast)

The moment shuffle machines went from a "dumb machine" that didn't actually know the cards to a "smart machine" with on-board card recognition, it was only a matter of time before this was hacked.

I was on blackjack card counting teams in the past. And we did some non-illegal exploits on shuffle machines. And for years now the teams have rented( better described as "borrowed") shuffle machines, went to expos and, etc. to know all the ins and outs of what was possible. Within most blackjack card counting teams there are usually two factions, one that doesn't want to do anything illegal and a second group willing to break any law. If all of the details of the people involved comes out, don't be surprised if it ends up being a group of blackjack card counters that pulled this off.

Several of you ****ers are a bunch of bickering bitches that make relaying relevant info almost impossible. This Texas incident isn't the first time this has happened. This isn't even the first 2+2 thread on a potential shuffle machine hack. And the other thread was a cluster **** of bickering like this one.

have 100% seen multiple
5/10 games in Texas with obviously marked cards

nobody gives a **** because there is no regulation

free market baby!

You should contact the TX legislature. They have the power to shut these clubs down.

Sure, buddy

Ummmmm, you have the authority to say "hey dealer or floor this card is marked remove it from the deck". There is no regulatory body needed nor would it even matter if their was a regulatory body in this case, they will not sending REGULATORY AGENTS in capes and sunglasses to deal with a marked card. In markets where their are regulatory bodies in place what happens? If a player notices a marked card he or she contacts the dealer or floor. Your full of ****.

lol when everybody and their brother is opening a strip mall poker room in Texas

some of these people with zero gaming industry experience

and there is no gaming commission forcing people to do things by the book

shortcuts get taken and cheating happens

there are absolutely people marking cards in smaller rooms and getting away with it - you are more than welcome to live in denial and get cheated for your money

Yes cheating happens in live poker everywhere. Game commissions certainly haven't stopped the rampant cheating that goes on in Vegas games. I think you have your head in the sand if you think gaming commissions have the player's best interests in mind. If a player takes a $100 chip off your stack, the casino won't even notice (despite cameras everywhere). If you bring it to their attention with definitive proof the most that will happen is a 24 hour ban of the other player. LoL gaming commissions.

When was the 1st time it happened?

It doesn't matter, so long as this is not an unprecedented incident, it's not worth discussing it.

"This NioNio account is clearly cheating! He can see hole cards!"

"This isn't the first time it has happened. You guys are just a bunch of bickering bitches."

"So when was the first time it happened?"

"Absolute Poker. A cheater named POTRIPPER."

"Wait...this is, at best, the second time?"

"Yup."

"Mods, lock it up!"

close the thread

Lol so true. I didn't even have to look at my hand in Johhnie Chan's room. Just feel for the crease in the top of the cards and you know you have a primo. In all seriousness- the card marking is so rampant at these places. I call it out all the time. We get new decks...and it happens all over again.

Also, seems like Joey is in need of some rehab or something. His podcast with Polk made no sense and this latest story isn't a story. Hope he gets the help he (likely) needs

ICYMI

Good podcast.

The whole thing is a lot easier than some of you were making it out to be. Simply knowing the player's first card is all it takes to set the wheels in motion at some version (and there are many versions) of the cheat.

I await the next round of bicker bitch mode that will have you guys missing the point again at what can and has already been done with shuffle machines.

All I know is if I was ever going to play at a Texas cardroom, Prime Social would be last on my list.

It really is difficult to go backwards, but these machines being smart and knowing the cards is a bad idea. That guy in podcast did a good job explaining it. Joey is too stoned to be able to stay on topic or even more would have been revealed. The guy said a few specific that told he knew exact details of what was done, not guesses. I said amen when he mentioned blackjack, because the card mechanic/shuffle machines isn't just a poker thing, the blackjack crews are into advantage play on a next level. I've been in a team member's home in Atlantic and in Las Vegas where a "borrowed" shuffle machine (I've personally seen 5 different types) was opened up and examined for exploit. You guys over thought the wifi/bluetooth/network/security stuff and what is possible with a "borrowed" shuffle machine that is then put back on the casino floor. Afterwards knowing the first card is all it takes.