Oh yeah I've seen card magic tricks that would make you never want to play live again.

Also when I use to live in Las Vegas, The Orleans was incredibly lacks with the shuffle machines. That how I heard about the technology to have one shuffle machine sort another shuffle machine. But I'm sure we have all eaten at an empty poker table not in use. I would see dealer messing with the machines, go up under the table, etc. Given the importance of the integrity of those shuffle machines, too many random people are able to tinker with them.

I once was at a table and nothing was going wrong with the machine, but the dealer called someone over and said, "this machine is acting up, can you bring me the shuffle machine at table 8." The shuffle machine at our table wasn't acting up suspicious act #1, and there were plenty of empty tables, him specifically asking for shuffle machine from table 8 was very suspect.

whoever can invent a system where they regulate and protect autoshufflers would make billions. I think the future of live poker would probably be dealerless they cost way too much if you can even find them and casinos dont want to have beatable lowstake games partly because of that rake in ontario is 10% up to 10$-15$ at most 1/2 games. players dont have to tip and game runners dont have to pay them its a win for both im not in the live scene but im surprised auto shufflers are so rare right now and the next step after that would be to get ride of dealers all together and just have a few floormen for x amount of tables

they already invented it and has been in use for a long , long time, at the highest levels.

but they still use a dealer no? i mean fully auto walmart style so we dont have to tip. I say that because beatable live poker is just dead in canada casinos wanna use that floorspace for more profitable games if they didnt have to pay dealers the minimum wage of like 18$ I bet they would be more willing. The ones that do have some poker make the rake unbeatable to justify using floor space for it. also if you dont have to tip 1/2 games probably become beatable for alot of people again

Although kind of related, it's really sliding the thread away from the title.

We have online poker .. Players don't want to go the the casino to play 'online' poker just so they can see their opponents and everyone is sitting around a touch screen. There's still the adversion to technology. There's still an interest in the 'tradition' of a live Dealer. Why have Dealers in the pits?

The issue in this thread is that multiple coincidences are adding up to look like something was going on. The nail in the coffin being when high ranking staff quits immediately after the issue arises.

What is hearsay, conjecture, rumor and/or fact? There's a possibility for more clarity here than in other events IMO just because more people 'have' to be involved and therefore the chances of a crack are greater. GL

Oh good, the drugged out, indebted, scammer, rigtard, with a violent past and mental issues lost yet again. Perhaps we should be a little wary of this guys claims.

i generally agree and there will always be dealers at highstakes the entry level into poker is like 5/10 in alot of places right now. if you can lower that so people can play 1/2 or lower with machines that would be cool

I played on a cruise ship one time where the cage could see the hole cards and was a clear view from the electronic touch table! They thought nothing of it! I don't think anything was going on, but really .. GL

thats why whoever runs them and has there guys insall them and monitor them would be a billion dollar business rather a service model repair regulate market rather then a i sell you this you give me money model and they guarantee their machines are clean

you wouldn't want to play at a texas cardhouse that owns their own machines but if a trusted business rents them and monitors then while guaranteeing fair play that would be th way

To expand on this, assuming the deck was being cut by the dealer you would need....


1. Hack the shuffler to know the card order

2. An inside person with that card order who can quickly recreate that deck order with software to fill in cards once the position of one card is known.

3. A way to communicate from the inside person to the player.

This could allow the player to know ONLY the likely turn and river cards after the flop had been dealt (assuming the stub does not run into the cut). This is would be hugely advantageous, but require quite a lot to accomplish. To know other players holdings, the inside guy would have to know how many people were dealt hands so he would also need to be on the floor or have access to a camera.


That is why I said before it would be easier to get a skilled dealer to collude and cheat rather than a guy in a room on property completely undetected with access to a camera, a computer displaying the card order and a device connected to the shuffler to get the card order and be communicating stealthily to players.

If anyone has ever watched a card mechanic shuffle and deal they would swear off gambling with cards altogether. There was a case of a blackjack dealer, Dustin Marks, with the help of associates steal millions from the casino just by manipulating the deck right in front of everyone's eyes, including casino security, management and gaming regulators. He never got caught.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dirkwcBLS8E

Has anyone thought about why the lottery uses a basket of rotating balls to select the numbers instead of using a computer to generate random numbers? It's because they don't trust the computer or the people that have access to it.

Once I heard the newer shuffle machines could suit a deck up I knew manipulating it wouldn't be far off. With the amount of money involved in poker, cheating is a guarantee. Between the dealers, players and software engineers someone will take a shot.

Bryn, that you dude? you okay?

There is no logical reason for a card house in Texas to have automatic shufflers.

why? they cost less then dealers or if they dont a small investment can make that happen. dealers are stupid in 2022 sorry its literraly like going to a cashier at a grocery store or a self check out. ya someone probably lost a job but its a low paying pointless **** job and its better for society to have a machine do it now someone has more free time. something something basic global income.

If there is a job you can fully automate it will and should be fully automated

I'm not sure what futuristic contraption you are referring too. I was just talking about standard shufflers in poker rooms across the US. They are very expensive and still require dealers. Dealers are like the cheapest labor you can get anywhere. Don't the rooms pay them like $3/hr?

Again, it doesn't seem to make much sense for this room in Houston to have shufflers at all.

Well maybe in america most countys have a minimum wage of like 14-16$. They will be mostly extinct soon except for the higher stakes I guess. Thats a huge reason why america has beatable rake compaired to the Australia canada europe countys

fyp

Dude, after backend social security taxes and L&I minimum wage is closer to 80$ an hour than it is 3$

I’m Joey’s video he mentioned a player walkout. Nothing like that hit the rumor mill here in town. Other goofy/shady stud gets mentioned in various Houston poker FB. I didn’t see anything about that previous.

What cruise line? This really can't be a thing.

Lol so I’m playing yesterday and the shuffler starts acting up..

I’m thinking of this post as 3 players, the floor and the dealer are vehemently trying to get a new shuffler machine.

I was crushing the table and I’m like “hand shuffle is fine” ..

Turns out the hand sanitizer adds a film to the cards and messes up the machines.. new set up came in and fixed the problem.

I may have mucked a couple hands following this as I was thinking about this post.

I’m not positive and the proof would be incredibly complex but if the deck could be cut at any point it’s actually impossible to make a scenario where this would always happen and didn’t include times where a club was dealt first and they didn’t win against 8 people. As the game is shorter handed this method gets easier/possible I think though.

I’ll do $100 free roll to anyone that can create a sequence where this works for 9 handed cause I’m kinda interested but it’d take too long to prove at which point its possible and I’m fairly confident 9 handed with 52 cards it is not.

Not to say it's impossible, but they'd need completely custom hardware and software. UTH machines can read the order, deckmates can't. Feels like content creators know cheating allegations get clicks

Guy gets better job. Cheating confirmed

Source? How can rfid know the order of the cards? Meanwhile most live streams have to ask players to put their cards directly on the reader to pick up two cards.

Obligatory anti rigtard "why would a business making lots of money ruin its reputation for a few dollars?"

Not sure what everyone’s saying about the sequence of the deck..

But it’s crazy to fantasize that a deck could be stacked in a way that any cut gives a certain seat the winner no matter the cut.

I disagree w the sentiment that so many other things had to fall into place. It could have been as little as a 1-2 man operation or literally the whole management could have been involved.

Nothing would surprise me.

The workers quitting either can be viewed as an admittance of guilt or some sort of running away from a cluster f that’s about to happen.

Houston seems like the actual Wild West between all the fight videos that come from that downtown area that I’ve seen on the inter web, and the drive by shootings at the poker clubs. Card cheats seem par the course for that place.

I can only surmise that the games are really good.

It probably wasn't RFID, and I believe the phone/device just read the side of the deck.

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