Btw how does Joe douche have 1m followers on twitter? While DN has 84k?! WTF

I've never really been into 2+2 before...but this is like crack! lol

I've had a handful of discussions with Joe in the past. I'm not buddies with him or anything. I can say that from my personal interactions with Seebs, I like the guy. He's done nothing wrong by me ever. He's been cordial and he's been an overall fun guy to have interactions with. I've had brief encounters, but I have enjoyed them...each time.

With respect to UB, I think that it goes without saying that the cheating stuff has caused irreparable damage that because of what took place, how it took place, and whom it took place by, will never pull UB out of that thought of being associated as a cheating site. I find this incredibly unfortunate as I think that there is a place for UB in the marketplace, and I have profound respect for so many of the members of team UB (Guys like Basebaldy, Roothlus, and Devo I consider men that I'd like to pattern my game after for example). But because of the image, I've never deposited money there, and I've never played there. I also don't know that I will because of that image that I have burned into my brain. I think that a lot of players feel the way that I do about it...fair or not...it's just the way I feel.

But this really speaks to a different issue. I'm not a fan of Aguiar taking a DM (which is meant as a private message) and taking it to this forum to post onto for all of the haters to jump on his bandwagon. I'm especially not a fan of him doing so without having first discussing the message with Joe. Perhaps I'm wrong, but it appears as if there was a brief, 140 character DM to Jon from Joe, and then this post. That appears to be the entire series of events thus far, and then the back and forth on twitter with respect to this thread.

I would have much rather seen a back and forth with each party justifying their response after they had chatted this through. And if Jon didn't get the answers that he liked, and determined that the only way to get his side of the story out was to go to this forum, then that'd be ok. But it doesn't appear that this happened. It looks like 1 message (which could have meant a myriad of things), and then accusations.

Let me ask you, do you think that there is anyone on this earth that has lived their life without a single regret? We have all made decisions at some point in our lives which have been wrong, and typically (hopefully) we learn from these mistakes and consider ourselves better people by changing.

In this instance, I honestly don't know where to side. But, I'm willing to give Joe the benefit of the doubt here until I hear him say "Damn right I was threatening him," because my initial read on the 140 character tweet was simply...that doesn't really sound threatening. I guess that closed minded persons who have condemned Joe to being a liar and a cheat are going to skew this to mean the most damning piece of information...but that doesn't make it right...or what really happened. There is more to this story...I'm sure of it.

Whatever Jon's beef is with Sebok (and I'm certain that there is more to their history than anyone other than Aguiar and Sebok really know about), we all have to admit that posting on THIS site would only lead to a reaction by the community like we saw. Most people condemn UB and their people here...for reasons that I completely understand. But I would like to think that I approach things with an open mind, and make my own independent decisions.

Back to the point, I would like to see Sebok's responses...which he's made on twitter to some degree. Perhaps I'll see if he wants to go onto our show and clear the air..so to speak. Not that he has to, or owes it to anyone. But I know that I'd be interested in the response, and I think that many others would be interested in his response as well.

but then why would be bring his girlfriend into it? or is Joe dating UB?

Dude, when someone tries to blackmail you, you get to air it in public if you aren't afraid of the blackmail. There has to be some repercussions for weasels who do stuff like that.

Nah., he didn't bang her. But he might have sent her an unrequested picture of his junk.

I think that POS was attempting the "abortion" bluff, think about it, why else involve the gf. There is a high percentage of this play working...

lol, 69

UB. The company Annie Duke thought was too shady.

Joe's arguments make less and less sense as he goes on. It's not much different than Prahlad starting a series of tweets with account sharing accusations and ending it with "I'm sure they share ideas" as if to stand his ground and not budge.

The original DM is nothing short of a middle school tactic and in my eyes it's absolutely a threat. It's as much of a threat (and makes as little sense) as if I were to say "stop that or I'll tell everyone that embarrassing thing you told me that one time". It's even worse because there's evidently no embarrassing skeletons in the closet. Bringing the GF into it is a low blow.

Also, how is he acting on his own behalf when he's telling you to chill on the UB hate? He couldn't possibly be personally offended. He was absolutely acting on UB's behalf. As much as I would be acting on behalf of a friend if I told someone to stop bothering him or I'd kick his ass.

The nerve of Joe to bring the "be a man" bull**** into this is also comical considering how (as far as I know) he initiated the womanly threat via twitter, when he obviously sees Jon at every live tournament.

I had a lot of respect for Joe (and prah even), lost a little when he signed for UB but really can't blame him for selling out...this is just embarrassing for him though.

On a side note, I think my friends asking for public apologies is about as lame and weak as you can get. As if they're ever sincere or actually mean anything.

Because he was on the ''recommend to follow" list at one time. I don't know why but others in this thread have said it was because he knew the guys who started Twitter.

lol

lol.. maybe JS knows that OP has a very close relationship with his gf or knows that OP cares for her a lot so he thought including her in his example would hit a nerve in OP that would allow him to empathize more with how JS is being effected by the negative UB stuff being spread..

but i'm probably reading way too far into this at this point so I will stop now

I think JS is just bad with english and expression with words

You've given a measured response but I don't see how you read that text as being innocent. Also the last thing Joe is going to do is admit he threatened him.

A non-threatening dm would read more like 'Maybe you have some skeletons in your closet you wouldn't like in public?'

That could be conceived as a general 'lay-off dude'. But he brings the guy's girlfriend into it. If he did this to me the first thing I'd do is put it on 2p2 and try and end the guy's career. That message would make anyone's blood boil.

The only reason he would mention his GF who he has never met is if he was threatening him. Pretty obvious.

If I said to you: "You might want to stop making ******ed posts. You and your family may things would would not want public." You would take that as a threat, because it is (for the purpose of this post). There's no way to misconstrue that. The whole tone of the text changed when he injected someone else in it. It also makes it incredibly hypocritical that he's crying on twitter now about OP "acting like a man".

Let's not forget UB sent out a goonsquad to camp out in front of Travis Makar's house at one point.

I for one am glad he outted him, because -publicity for UB is +EV

Sebok is who we thought he was.

OP, pictures of your girlfriend would be much appreciated.

I can personally attest that barry greenstein's legit son, Nathan Greenstein, is just as bad of a person as joe is.

literal lol

he's talking about... nvm

"Come talk to me like a man" after i send you a DM regarding yor GF.

Really Joe?

The apple doesnt fall far from the tree does not apply in regards to Sebok and Barry.

And who the hell is giving the UB pros media relations advice?

Quit doing interviews, quit tweeting stupid BS and just STFU already. Jesus Joe, this is painful to watch.

Banging Barry is not a skeleton in the closet. It is a trophy on your mantle.

Early reading the thread but this ^ all day long...FU Sebok!

I could think of a lot of ways to approach someone so as to clear the air "like a man".

However, in not one of those ways would I say "you and your girlfriend."

There is absolutely no other way to take the initial DM, other than, stop tweeting about UB or I will release information about you and your woman. That equals blackmail. Period.

Keep in mind Sebok is not Barry's son by blood. It's really his step son