Cada pretty much played standard. You can't say he sucks for getting it in pair vs overpair and sucking out in standard spots etc..

was cada really 25/50nl hu reg?

This logic is waaaay too complex for most Ivey fans.

bingo

How can Cada criticize Ivey... they both came in short stacked. Cada blew most of his chips early with that horrendous AJ call against Schulman. Ivey bluffed in one or two pots, made a questionable fold w/ jj, but got his money in as a dominating favorite and poised to do some damage. Ivey lost his all in, Cada won nearly all of his all ins. I know we only saw a few hands of a long ft, but I don't remember seeing Cada ever push someone off a better hand. He turned a nut flush against Maimone and sucked out in several all ins. Against Moon, a player he should be able to outplay one pot at a time, he risked everything on a coin flip. argh

Omg, Joe Cada is the biggest luckbox ever... Ivey must be laughing his ass off

I think ivey played this way because he really wanted to win the main event. Err1 was expecting him to shove any 2, bully the table ect.. I think it showed he is human and played the way a "normal" person would being ss and wanting to put himself in a spot to still win. He put more value on his tourny life which alot of really good players still don't understand. I think that him wanting to win sooo bad it brought him back down to earth. This made him just another 1/9 people at the final table and playing prolly the way any other 1/9 would. If his Ak vs AQ holds this thread wouldn't exist and he would have played great, right?

By standard, I suppose you mean bad - because most people that play poker are bad at it.

He grossly overestimated his fold equity in several spots - failing to take into account that the other players, knowing what a shovebox Cada is, would call his shoves light. He claimed on the radio show that he had a lot of fold equity against the tightest player at the table (Shulman) in the 33 v JJ hand - proving he is still out of touch with reality.

He apparently didn't realise that Saout, having him well covered and getting fantastic calling odds (Cada had too little left to force a big fold), would call his 22 shove with all but the very bottom layer of Saout's reraising range.

Just, please, take a look at the PokerNews hand descriptions before you make glib statements about how Cada's play was standard.

His AJ call of an all-in by Shulman for almost all his chips was probably one of the 5 worst plays anyone made at the final table.

Cada's play may have been standard for a turbo SNG, but not for a tournament with a slow structure.

Joe Cada can't keep his mouth closed while he's breathing. There is no reason why we should listen to one of those.

An apple a day keeps the bracelet away.

Think the consensus on the Internet is Ivey played too tight and safe on the JJ/77 hand and the KK/55. I also don't like folding 77 to Cada's push. Ivey appeared to play well on hands that didn't go to showdown.

It also appears like Cada played too loose and just would fold a pp or decent ace.

Saout appears to have played well.

So Cada isn't saying anything that different or earthshaking.

I followed every hand in the log. Ivey played great short-stacked poker, and had to get sucked out on to lose. Cada played horrible poker and had to suckout multiple times to win.

For Cada to say that Ivey didn't play well is outrageous. Totally results oriented and nothing half the people here couldn't have done.

fyp

Cada played worse at the final table than any main event champion in recent history.. and really has the nerve to talk about Ivey's play.

Do we even like any WSOP winner the last 5 years?

I sure don`t

Holy ****! There are some stupid people in this thread. Oh well, it's my own damn fault for reading threads in NVG.

sooooo good and possibly /thread.

Soaut (or whatever his name is ) played the best. Cada was too loose and Ivey was too tight. Cada gave himself a chance to win though, Ivey just sat there waiting for the mythical "better spot".

This definitely didn't get enough love.

he god damn played like a bitch

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KK fml

and b4 anyone says he thought schulman would put ivey on AK and call, just dont

How can you comment on shortstack poker if you think that Cada played terrible and Ivey played awesome? While I'm not gonna claim to know the exact shoving ranges, I know the general theory is to utilize hands with decent overall equity (pocket pairs, even small ones are included in this range) and hope to capitilize on the fold equity to build your stack. If they have something to call you then at least you have something with a decent chance to win. With your stack pretty small compared to the blinds and antes you need to find a hand to double up with. Cada obviously got really lucky with his all in confrontations, but that doesn't mean he played the shortstack incorrectly. While it's not like the 22 and 33 shoves were massively +EV, I'm pretty sure they're damn close to break even. AJ call seemed slightly -EV given the pot odds, but I haven't run the numbers on pokerstove.

From your comment it seems that you think shortstacking is about waiting for a very strong hand to make sure you have an equity advantage when you get all the money in. This simply isn't true with stacks shallow and blinds escalating. IMO this was a mistake that Jeff Shulman made at the final table. He got his money in with the best of it, sure, but lost so much from the blinds that it didn't really matter.

Would you rather take a 40/60 for your stack now, or blind off half your stack and take a 60/40?

Let's not forget that prior to the FT Cada would have seen the TV coverage where Ivey 3bet him with 52o or something from out the blinds, based presumably 90% on a live read. That can't be fun for a 25/50 player to get owned like that, so he may have had some underlying need to score a point back with these critical comments.

you are too smart for NVG sir, just let these idiots drown in their own stupidity

lol at the4thfilms comment, what an assclown of a comment

I don't like the cut of Cada's Jib.