I made somewhere between $500-700 for December to when the Lab closed down. There was about $2500 refunded.

Thanks for the kind words Fred

I wish someone would pay me 400/month for chicken cooking lessons.

How can the two numbers be so far off? Surely this can be taken to arbitrage to see what the right number would be as it is pretty solvable. I think that would be the fairest thing in this situation.

He used to something called the GTO club and it was $399/mo I believe. No idea if there were cooking lessons in it though.

Show the numbers and pick an unbiased, respected party to look through them and come to a decision about how much is owed

Because only one of our positions is based on numbers, the other is based on... I don't know?

Plenty to talk about, its about a half an hour video

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Wtf is GTO club, joey?

Good post i have no idea why upswing would need to use a affiliate when Doug has the biggest social media presence by far. If they choose to burn money doing that it should come out of their end not Fernandos.

Looks like Doug was just doing it to help out his boy Joey.

If we've learned one thing from this entire mess it's that Doug has a slow internet connection. When's that upload going to be done? My popcorn is getting stale.

This.
It seem very likely that people who signed via Joey would sing up anyway and they just burning money on some random first week 20-25% affiliate and it BS that it was taken from JNandez pocket.
It not like random Joey bonus videos was what pulled them over wall to pay 1000$ for poker videos.

Great responses Joey! Respect brother. So do you disagree with Fernando's assertion that you were initially asked by Doug to be the PLO University coach, only to be "big-timed" by Doug? Was this your take on it?

Doug - a PR masterclass would be to release a chilled video. One that doesn't fuel the fire that makes it seem distinctly plausible that you did fly off the handle. Not a great image when the founder of the company is considered to be a bit of a hot-head. Calmness and composure are your friend!

post production yo. poor old srsly under the pump to get the edit done with everyone waiting.....

Not sure whether intentional or not, but under the original 25% agreement, it wouldn't make any difference to Upswing. For a $1000 course, they make $562.50 in the end.

A 25% cut comes out of the $1000, and then a 25% cut comes out of the remaining $750. Upswing gets the rest.

The question would just be on who gets that first 25% cut.

I genuinely am not sure if this is a joke (troll) or a real message. Also genuinely don't understand why any of this is Joeys fault in any way shape or or form.

Hey ChicagoJoey, i paid 1K$ for the Plo University with your affiliate link! Where the **** is my book? You promised the videos that i got (they are all a piece of ****) and a copy of your book!

There's no fathomable way that the percentage agreed upon in the contract wasn't based off of the gross price of the training course. Upswing or any other entity in their position would offer a percentage that already factored in their own expenses, such as pay to affiliates, marketing etc. This should be extremely easy for JNandez to prove. "I get X% of the course price." That's where Upswing gives the old bait and switch and says, "No no no, once we pay our expenses THEN you get X%."

There's just no way to agree on those terms because you would have to specifically list in the contract what qualified as Upswing's expenses and then provide a statement of those monthly expenses with every payment made to JNandez. Otherwise he would have to rely on their "word" that his cut was accurate. It just doesn't work that way.

lol at Polk threatening legal action...

quality statement to say there will be an official statement.

It could make a difference for Upswing if both were entitled to get 25% of the $1000.

+1

Huge % 1st week affiliate for almost exact audience like Doug have seem just like not leaving out his boy Joey.

Even JNandez said in video he was not comfortable with it and was thinking it bad idea.

you know when someone posts once a year they are pissed

81.25% vs 18.75%

I've been watching this mess from the sidelines but since you brought this up...

I was a member of the GTO club from November 2016 until it was shut down right before the world series in 2017. The basic premise of GTO club was a group of like minded individuals brought together to help accomplish their goals or in my case figure out how to accomplish their goals.
Most members of the group were and are professional poker players or at least aspiring pros. At the time when I joined I worked in a factory building printing presses and fell into the later category (aspiring pro). My goal had, since about 2004, to become a professional poker player. I went through the poker boom as mostly a losing player, had some tournament success around 2009 but was for the most part just a fun player. I didn't know it at the time but I was really pretty horrible at the game.
Joining the club immediately opened my eyes to how bad a player I really was and much more importantly, how much work I needed to do on myself as a person.
When you joined the group you were asked to start figuring out your goals and to start a thread in the forums we had (much like the PG&C threads). We would have skype meetings on a pretty regular basis discussing the different members issues they were having accomplishing their goals. It was great to get feedback from such bunch of well rounded guys. The purpose of most of this all was to keep everyone accountable for what they were doing and working on. There were some that did really well and some that got burnt out and quit.
Joey would usually call me once a week to see how I was doing, how my job was and how poker was going. We would discuss strat on how to go about learning and how my goals were going. He was constantly learning and trying to figure out the best way to go about what we were working on in the group to help make us the people that we said we wanted to be.
If you ever have the chance to be around someone as passionate as Joey I would jump at the chance if I were you, it was probably the most pivotal time in my life. I recently quit my job, finally reaching the goal to become a professional poker player. Honestly I'm not sure that would be possible without the GTO club and Joey.

I know Joey didn't really advertise his gto club channel but if you're interested in the different topics that he went over there was a bunch of content he put out on youtube for people to find if they wanted it.
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC6t...PEbuTuxyixpXtA

If anyone has any other questions feel free to ask

Doug should post his video response but initiating legal action for contract breach by Jnandez talking in that video leaves me with a bad impression of upswing (what Doug Polk said not jnandez). Especially if it’s true jnandez made 3 months worth of content for the company and didnt receive anything for it.

You put it out in the court of public opinion, settle it there. F legal retribution just for the sake of it or a little extra $. Doug is putting his response out anyways so suing to shut jnandez up is a manipulative move. And buying the url for runitonce... lol