I like this keep it more professional. No need for all this drama all these poker trolls want to ignite. Gl to both on their poker careers wherever it may go. It is like playing a poker hand. Learn from your mistakes to make better improvements going forward from both parties. THat is the + ev way to go about it. All we can control is how we react to a situation that didn't go the way we thought it would. Can either be negative about it or turn it into a positive situation by learning from it.

An employee is not issued a 1099

No, that's the original agreed upon time. It just looks super shady that he's taking the first possible exit and is looking to use the same clients. This is the reason most/some start-ups and businesses that have client acquisition as a major hurdle require employees to sign non-competes*. I guess Doug's lawyer didn't think of that either.

You're totally clueless about poker instruction economy. Using the same clients? Non compete clauses? Lol how wide do you think the pool of people is who play PLO seriously enough to pay for coaching in 2018? You think it's some highly competitive market where coaches compete ruthlessly with each other for market share?

There are very few regs still around who a) are winners b) are willing to coach which often is dubiously +EV for them c) are eloquent enough to be able to express complex thoughts into workable user content. Jnandez is one of just a few who fit all these criteria.

In this kind of environment, there's not really such thing as "stealing clients." People who want the good stuff will go and get the good stuff, at whatever cost, especially since the pricing is usually well worth the EV you gain from the content. It's mostly the same people that are already on every instructional website, it's not like a market which gains lots of new users every day that need to be "converted."
Yes there's some upside to Jnandez joining upswing and getting his name out there a bit more, no denying that. But its not like you're saying at all with regard to the market forces.

Sometimes you have to leave a company if you think there are better opportunities elsewhere. Many great companies are started by branching off an existing one. Unethical but legal describes how many people got rich.

I think this situation will be win- win for both sides at the end.Jnandez will make his own course,Upswing will find another coach/coaches and players will have better choice for

plo training site.

Either JNandez or Doug are completely lying, and because Mason deleted the post while the truth was coming out, it looks like JNandez and Doug reached an agreement to leave it for their mutual benefit- regardless of the truth!

The info presented seemed honest. It was deleted because Doug was being foolishly aggressive and Fernando started to roll up his sleeves.

if they sign you as headcoach ill sign up for sure and i have no intentions to ever play PLO just saying #josephingramFTW

+1

sign me up also.

POT POT POT POT POT POT POT

Doug runs bad with regards to PLO on all fronts...

Wanted to clear up a few points.

The PLO Lab will be moving forward. We have already had some exciting applications and I feel strongly we will be able to create an even stronger course coming out of this.

We will be adding in multiple coaches, so that we don't have the same dependency in the future. This should be doable by looking to pay highly competitive rates within the industry and it is our number one priority to do the right thing for our members.

While the Upswing Team is unhappy with the decision that Fernando has made, we respect his right to legally excercise that option.

I don't think in this particular instance it serves much benefit to get into a mudslinging contest.

This has been a learning experience for myself, and I want to the thank the people that have supported both Upswing and myself over the course of the past couple years. The mistakes made here will be used to improve our business and prevent similar mistakes from taking place in the future.

Disappointing because that's what NVG is for.

He's due to out someone in the community this year. He's been averaging about 1 a year so lets hope he sticks to that.

Also, is there any chance Upswing ever goes to a month-to-month payment format? I'd love to join but the upfront cost has me feeling a little unsure. I'm sure the value is there but forking over $600+ to get in might be a little steep for a micros pleb like myself.

That's a pretty good philosophy, get one person a year so choose wisely.

Upswing lab is now month to month.It`s 99$ a month.

Although the first month is double what the normal month is. I understand why Doug does that, but it's one of the reasons why I waited a little bit to sign up for the annual plan.

He did call Fernando a "good plo player"

Like a boss.

Well done.

If I knew what PLO was, I'd sign up with you all.


lolz. 7 humor points for you.

My 2 cents...

Doug is to Upswing Poker like Dana White is to the UFC. He's the face of the company and is very outspoken on his thoughts and views. Because of this I don't find it surprising when a situation like this arises and he decides to express himself publicly. People like him and Dana aren't afraid to air out their dirty laundry and I think this can cause unnecessary drama. Not saying being the Dana White of Upswing Poker is a bad thing (I'd actually argue it's +EV in Upswings case) but the added drama is merely a bi-product of them be so similar in that regard.

Doug should have had Upswing Poker release an official statement on the matter instead of Doug acting indirectly on behalf of Upswing and posting on 2+2. I like Doug, enjoy the content he creates, and think he's an excellent ambassador for poker. I find his honesty and moral compass to be very on par to that of Joe Rogan's so for that I respect him greatly. I'm sure he'll learn from this and handle better in the future.

JNandez had every right to exercise his opt-out clause. I think he benefitted greatly from working for Upswing. I've been a pretty big poker fan the last few years and I never heard of him until he signed with Upswing. I don't think the exposure and opportunities he gained from Upswing should be downplayed. I also believe he didn't have the customers in mind when he made the decision to opt-out early. Either that or he consciously made the decision knowing it was a great opportunity to start his own training site and convert a portion of the Upswing members over to his platform. I don't want to speculate which occurred, just pointing out that these are the only two possible examples of his thought process.

i read between the lines here and this can only mean ONE THING!:

JOSEPH INGRAM IS ONBOARD NOW!!!!


So happy where do i sign up?

We knew that already...

I think that's just a negotiating tactic on Doug's part. He pretends there's other possible candidates so Vex doesn't have all the leverage, even though it's pretty obvious how this will end up.