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Originally Posted by ScotchOnDaRocks
Jbouton, I think you are conflating the furled eyebrows over VIP changes with rake changes. They occurred separately and are different issues
But yeah if it’s just rake differences and still within noms (or lowest) then yeah I second getting outraged is silly
Maybe their increased marketing will help or maybe it’s just a lie. But whatever, eat it.
I'm being a little loose but I do have it all summarized and documented on a blog. I'm sort of referring to an agenda that happened over time. There were 2 player boycott attempts that iirc span between the times you differentiate between. Ansky ignored the first one and then furred his eyebrows on the 2nd. We were making progress with a small group that was being very reasonable and a mod here came in I believe and picked 3 out of a hat and one was ansky and none were us (thats from memory so take with a grain of salt). My point is I trolled and criticized him the whole way after that.
He was clueless and yet spoke on behalf of the players.
Are you able to see the line I mean to illuminate Scotch? A player that says "They don't owe you, me or anyone at 2p2 justification for their rake practices nor their marketing." IF they really do play poker (its harder to understand that they do) they can't see this line. Its not easy and very subtle. But I feel like you are sincere even in spots we don't agree on.
I guess for the players that want to cut off dialogue and declare "SITES DON'T OWE YOU JUSTIFICATION FOR PRACTICES OR MARKETING' I have a few questions....
1) Is it morally good/bad/neutral for a player to convince other players a site is profitable to play on if that player KNOWNS its not? (so maybe dnegs isn't guilty of this but do we agree at least its not a good thing?)
2)Is it morally good/bad/neutral for sites to offer games as being fair if they are not fair games?
3) Is it acceptable from a players perspective for a site to offer poker games in which there are no players that have a positive expectation no matter how skilled they are?
4) Should we find it strange that we have never talked about these things as a community and there are so many that are ready to demand that we have no right to talk about them?
5) What does a poker player pay the cost of rake in exchange for? <<<< this is my favorite question I hope people here take turns answering
If we see this things as morally fine and perfectly acceptable from the players perspective I really don't know where to go with that. I'd feel like this community is barren of skilled players in a breakeven environment for all. Otherwise I'd like to quantity what the profitability line should sit at from the players view, and from the site view.
(Here morality doesn't refer to the intensity of the act so killing a bug here we might consider immoral even tho its very very much less immoral than murdering a human for no reason)