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Old 02-26-2017, 04:07 AM   #126
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Re: Jason Mercier spreads unfounded cheating accusations

If OP wants to clear his name, and Jason wont play, he can make a video or write a few words about some ofc strat, he doesnt have to give everything away just pick one small thing and prove his expertise. another option maybe is to play another pro live and stream it or have him give his thoughts. Either way, OPs action is dead and making this thread was the worst decision he could have made.

Occams razor was on ops side until Moskow got involved. Its hard to believe she would be the best in the world at anything.
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Old 02-26-2017, 04:09 AM   #127
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Yes, let's see this live match before anyone has the chance for extensive study.

I want to see who's correct in their evaluation of playing AA88 in the middle and queen high up top while in fantasyland. I don't want to see Fernando stop playing it that way or Jason start. Let's see who's right!
Yeah, OP please address the AA88 bit.
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Old 02-26-2017, 04:42 AM   #128
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Yeah, OP please address the AA88 bit.
I think that may be the kind of expert line that you only find if you go into deep analysis, maybe spending 30X your typical time.

That's why I want to see this match. There's no better way to learn than watching the world class players.
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Old 02-26-2017, 08:01 AM   #129
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If OP wants to clear his name, and Jason wont play, he can make a video or write a few words about some ofc strat, he doesnt have to give everything away just pick one small thing and prove his expertise.
How about a strat video on playing AA88 in the middle and queen high up top while in fantasyland? He won't be giving away many secrets since we know he's capable of making the play, but it would be great to understand the nuances.
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Old 02-26-2017, 09:37 AM   #130
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what ever happened in that Jaclyn Moskow assault case?
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Old 02-26-2017, 11:43 AM   #131
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How about a strat video on playing AA88 in the middle and queen high up top while in fantasyland? He won't be giving away many secrets since we know he's capable of making the play, but it would be great to understand the nuances.
There is no way this set is correct in FL. It is a simple matter of counting royalties.
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Old 02-26-2017, 12:39 PM   #132
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Re: Jason Mercier spreads unfounded cheating accusations

I will never play OP on any app or computer in pineapple.

Whether we switch devices or play in front of one another

What u guys do not understand, is that if the app is compromised / manipulable... All u would have to have is one person on a computer (anywhere in the world) controlling who gets what cards while we sit in front of one another playing on the app

These 2 people's replies honestly just make me think I'm right.

Oh, u wanna play me on the app still?? Lol and Jaclyn is willing to bet on Fernando? Give me a ****ing break...

I will play either of u in Bobby's room up to $1,000 a point - maybe bigger even if that interests u. I'm sure plenty of ppl would take action on my side

Come and get it

I'm sure they are both fairly decent now live, even if they were or are cheating on the app. It would be impossible to not become better at the game if you are playing it 24/7 (cheating or not)

Plz don't make me have to reply again. GG

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Old 02-26-2017, 12:53 PM   #133
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I will never play OP on any app or computer in pineapple.

Whether we switch devices or play in front of one another

What u guys do not understand, is that if the app is compromised / manipulable... All u would have to have is one person on a computer (anywhere in the world) controlling who gets what cards while we sit in front of one another playing on the app

These 2 people's replies honestly just make me think I'm right.

Oh, u wanna play me on the app still?? Lol and Jaclyn is willing to bet on Fernando? Give me a ****ing break...

I will play either of u in Bobby's room up to $1,000 a point - maybe bigger even if that interests u. I'm sure plenty of ppl would take action on my side

Come and get it

I'm sure they are both fairly decent now live, even if they were or are cheating on the app. It would be impossible to not become better at the game if you are playing it 24/7 (cheating or not)

Plz don't make me have to reply again. GG
yes lets see the live match please.
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Old 02-26-2017, 12:59 PM   #134
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Re: Jason Mercier spreads unfounded cheating accusations



Leaked Video Showing Working Hack for Popular OFC App

http://www.pokerlistings.com/videos/...c-app-1a6ab5a4

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Old 02-26-2017, 01:13 PM   #135
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Leaked Video Showing Working Hack for Popular OFC App

http://www.pokerlistings.com/videos/...c-app-1a6ab5a4

That was a long time ago, I doubt they're using that app.
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Old 02-26-2017, 01:20 PM   #136
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That was a long time ago, I doubt they're using that app.
That goes without saying much better ones out there these days, which is why I was surprised unknowns were still getting action these days . . .
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Old 02-26-2017, 01:24 PM   #137
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I will never play OP on any app or computer in pineapple.

Whether we switch devices or play in front of one another

What u guys do not understand, is that if the app is compromised / manipulable... All u would have to have is one person on a computer (anywhere in the world) controlling who gets what cards while we sit in front of one another playing on the app

These 2 people's replies honestly just make me think I'm right.

Oh, u wanna play me on the app still?? Lol and Jaclyn is willing to bet on Fernando? Give me a ****ing break...

I will play either of u in Bobby's room up to $1,000 a point - maybe bigger even if that interests u. I'm sure plenty of ppl would take action on my side

Come and get it

I'm sure they are both fairly decent now live, even if they were or are cheating on the app. It would be impossible to not become better at the game if you are playing it 24/7 (cheating or not)

Plz don't make me have to reply again. GG
Sounds very much like you are 100% convinced the app is compromised.
If so, why would you play on it?
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Old 02-26-2017, 02:18 PM   #138
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OP should really play JM live, set the date in two months and practice live play in the meantime.
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Old 02-26-2017, 03:30 PM   #139
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I propose to Jason we play a 10k hand challenge at 100/pt. Fantasy lands would be considered extensional to each hand. I am willing to go to Florida or Las Vegas to play him face to face on the app.
Weird how you're so good at this game but so reluctant to play without the app
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Old 02-26-2017, 03:36 PM   #140
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As a professional OFC Pineapple player I can say there are certainly situations where you would want to play AA88 in second with Q high up top in fantasyland
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Old 02-26-2017, 04:22 PM   #141
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I will never play OP on any app or computer in pineapple.

Whether we switch devices or play in front of one another

What u guys do not understand, is that if the app is compromised / manipulable... All u would have to have is one person on a computer (anywhere in the world) controlling who gets what cards while we sit in front of one another playing on the app

These 2 people's replies honestly just make me think I'm right.

Oh, u wanna play me on the app still?? Lol and Jaclyn is willing to bet on Fernando? Give me a ****ing break...

I will play either of u in Bobby's room up to $1,000 a point - maybe bigger even if that interests u. I'm sure plenty of ppl would take action on my side

Come and get it

I'm sure they are both fairly decent now live, even if they were or are cheating on the app. It would be impossible to not become better at the game if you are playing it 24/7 (cheating or not)

Plz don't make me have to reply again. GG
Playing Jason Live would be like Jungle Seeing durrr and him saying lets finish challenge, there is no way You ever let someone puting up 1k a point and not take them up if You don't think You have a Edge . . .


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Old 02-26-2017, 07:00 PM   #142
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Not sure if that's too young or too old to help.
ayyyyyy lmao
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Old 02-26-2017, 07:02 PM   #143
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Weird how you're so good at this game but so reluctant to play without the app
...he has already covered why, multiple times. And honestly if they were actually going to play 10k hands they'd want to do it on the app anyway.
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Old 02-26-2017, 07:52 PM   #144
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Actually, DO's go through the same residency programs as MD's (meaning that they are training together with MD's ). They are actual "doctors" and practice in just about every specialty. You may have even been treated by a DO and not even know it.

So, while some believe that osteopathic schools are inferior to allopathic schools the truth is that they receive the same training and experience before being board certified in their specialty.

However, Your post makes your ignorance of the medical profession very clear.
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In the USA, osteopaths are physicians with additional training in quackery. In the rest of the world, osteopaths are alternative medicine practitioners trained only in quackery, hence the confusion. In any case, using a professional designation from a completely unrelated field when you play poker is really weird.
Ok, this makes sense--I had thought people down on DOs confused them with Chiropractors.
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Old 02-26-2017, 09:00 PM   #145
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As a professional OFC Pineapple player I can say there are certainly situations where you would want to play AA88 in second with Q high up top in fantasyland
Name one. Keep in mind this is in the app where you can't see your opponent's set while you are placing in FL.

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Old 02-26-2017, 09:19 PM   #146
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Name one. Keep in mind this is in the app where you can't see your opponent's set while you are placing in FL.
That was an example from live play fwiw
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Old 02-26-2017, 09:19 PM   #147
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...he has already covered why, multiple times. And honestly if they were actually going to play 10k hands they'd want to do it on the app anyway.
His reasons only explained why he prefers the app. If he thinks he's good enough to play Jason 1k/pt, he has limited action, and playing Jason live would help repair his reputation, seems like he would gladly play live even if he prefers the app. And if Jason thinks he might be cheating with the app, then obviously "they'd want to do it on the app" is false.
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Old 02-26-2017, 09:21 PM   #148
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...he has already covered why, multiple times. And honestly if they were actually going to play 10k hands they'd want to do it on the app anyway.
Nobody with any common sense is evee going to play him on the app.
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Old 02-26-2017, 09:41 PM   #149
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That was an example from live play fwiw
Sorry I missed that.
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Old 02-26-2017, 09:42 PM   #150
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At the 2016 PCA, I met Natasha in person and we played live OFC. This was my very first time playing the game live as opposed to on the app. When playing live, there are some very distinct adjustments one has to make when they have only played on the app. For example, being able to identify optimal fantasy land sets quickly without a sort button, counting the points in the hand (the app does this automatically), memorizing discards (on the app there is no need to memorize since you can see them there), and being able to distinguish suits clearly (the app has a 4 colored deck.) The first time I played Natasha live, she did not know that I had never played the game live before. I looked like a complete beginner during our session since I was playing extremely slow due to the new things I had to consider. Additionally, we were playing a mixture of high, low, and BDP, which was a game I had never played before, and she beat me during our short live session. I later learned that at the PCA she had told a well known player that I was probably cheating on the app via a bot.
Listing "being able to distinguish suits clearly" with a four colored deck on the app as an explanation of how you have an edge on the app over live that's not gained by cheating, seems to be grasping at straws. Unless you have terrible vision or are 80+ years old, how does a four color deck help you much on the app? You can't distinguish suits live?
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