I think this is the part where Ms Moskow screwed up. From all accounts Fernando is a degen except in cases on the app. Why would she have such confidence in a guy who is a OFC degen except on app where he is clearly using some sort of exploit.

Because she is confident he isn't cheating, which is the statement she is trying to back up by taking his live action

srsly thread needs less bs, more OFC live play

logic wins! lol and youd think as this is a poker forum more people could use logical reasoning

Well logically, he is being accused of cheating, he associates with her, so she is hardly going to say she knows he is cheating is she?

But she will defend him, to save her own guilty bottom.

@Jay Why:

You seem utterly convinced he's guilty, which is fine, but seriously just show one actual piece of tangible proof? You claim it's impossible for him to be winning vs all-bar-one people he's played at >$5 a point, well we all know that it's not impossible. I agree its not that likely for a run of results like that but some good luck + his saying he's played a lot of games vs pals for tiny money who dont understand the game is a reasonable explanation, even though it's a dog to happen.

I'm not remotely vested in the outcome cheat or not, but srsly, there is actually nothing outside of a few pieces of circumstantial evidence which on there own would be irrelevant but together are a little suspicious, but until someone rolls some actual solid evidence or good forbid even some proof, you gotta call the guy innocent.

Anyone who thinks I’ve crushed the app I urge you to please watch this video where all show all my past games
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q0_ItWPd5Yk
When Natasha saw me crushing most of my games she never realized that a lot of my games are small stakes where players tend to play very bad. If you only look at all my games at $5/pt or higher data shows that after 35,302 hands in pineapple high, I am a net total winner by +3109 points for an average edge of .088/hand. In low in the middle after 14,921 hands I am a net total winner by 895 points for an average edge of .06/hand


I did not know about that glitch. However, there is a good chance that after me saying that I did not know about it at least one person would have said “cheater stop lying!” Contemplating that likely possibility, I went on to do some investigation since I know the other player who Deebster was playing. Here are the texts from our conversation.




The glitch occurred to both players for around 20 minutes immediately after the new software update (green corner on last placed cards) started being implemented.

Furthermore, I have been trying to contact the app via their only public source (twitter) but have not gotten a full response.

I selected all the players I’ve played at $5/pt or higher on the app for the excel sheet because the vast majority of these players are between good to world class. All my past games are shown, that is why at the end of the video I scroll through ALL of my history. Moreover, if there is any one player who I’ve played at $5/pt or higher on the app who was not included in the video I urge him or her to call me out! The skill level of players I played at $5/pt or higher is dramatically higher than the skill level of players who play me for lower stakes. The great majority of my lower stake games have been 25c/pt to $1/pt, and very few games have been higher than $1/pt and lower than $5/pt. In these very small games, I have played a bunch of friends from El Paso poker who had never played OFC so they would get massively crushed, to the point where I would give them big rebates especially if they were playing their first hand of OFC. Also some bad players from the app accepted to play me for small stakes. My edge was so big (1-4 points per hand) that after 200 hands it would be extremely unlikely for me to lose. For example, with an edge of 3 points per hand, which is realistic against a lot of the players I played for very small stakes, I would be losing less than 1% of the time after only two hundred hands. Juxtapose this to me having an edge of .1/hand where I would lose over 40.2% of the time after two thousand hands.

If you think I am a cheater, I cannot change your mind as I’ve offered to play live outside my bankroll ($100/pt which plays similar in size as 10kNL) and presented ALL the information I have including all my past games, but for one brief moment just suppose that I am not a cheater, then how would you feel or what would you do in my spot? I am open for new suggestions in that regard.

If your live results match your online results, then clearly that casts doubt on Mr Mercier's comments about you.

Until then, you losing to just ONE player at stakes of $5 or less, since starting playing the game in August 2015, is wildly alarming (think, Superuser alarming).

The great thing is truth always comes out in the end, so if you are innocent, that will become clear in time, if you are a cheater doing a remarkably poor job of defending your cheating (by posting to thousands allegations originally just made to 20-30 people) that will be clearer too over time.

ummm as a general rule you probably should not "believe" in anything when there exists reasonable doubt

wtf happened to peoples' critical thinking skills this past year?

I do want to give some appreciation to all these posts since it is part of my motivation going forward in this situation.

If you read again you will realize that it's to one player UNDER $5/pt, where the people that I play are extremely bad since a lot of them play me their first hand of OFC. If you watch video you will also realize that at stakes of $5/pt or higher in pineapple high I've lost to 4 out of 15 players and to 1 out of 6 players in low in the middle. In pineapple high I lost 1635 points over 5369 hands, 764 over 3339 hands, 317 1808 hands and 7 points over 5088 hands to the 4 players that beat me. In low in the middle I lost 1938 points over 8358 hands to the one player who beat me.

I do want to mention that this whole situation has been very stressful for Jaclynn as she plays live poker for a living and has to deal with all the negative aspects that come with being labeled or speculated to be a cheater. She told me it's "depressing as ****". For the rest of her life when she walks into a cardroom some people will speculate if she's a cheater. In fact, yesterday at a poker game she was told “how can you even show up at any poker game?” I currently do not play live poker so I do not have to deal with all the negativity this situation brought to her life.

Karma's a beach. Ask Nolan Dalla, his reputation was ruined when he didn't pay her that $100k blackmail.

yea because real men create gimmick accounts on poker forums to run their mouths about women

you are a stone cold lock to be a re-incarnation of a previously banned ****posting account. you can really only get banned in that subforum for racism and rampant, unyielding stupidity (and even that's mostly tolerated), so lol @ you. lets see how long this account lasts before you get axed again

you're not doing a very good job of flying under the radar. nice edit tho, like anybody is going to believe you're just a fresh new poster who hasn't been banned already

tell you what, i wont even report you for the two posts where you call me names like a child, let's see if you make it to the end of the month (or even through the end of the night), "JBoss32"

here's a tip for being more discrete next time- don't wander into random threads and attempt to make them about whatever little personal grudges you hold from previous political battles that you fought so valiantly (and lost)

in poker, we call that a tell

that's pretty cool that you can speak for others in this forum, what with having 6 posts and all that

when did i call you "an idiot"/"inferior"?

pro tip: try to be less sloppy with whatever cover story or personal attacks you conjur up on your next account

waving the white flag already after only a few failing posts? sad!

you edited this post after the fact to include all kinds of irrelevant garbage, including bolded, but can i get in on this for $1 pls? i'm not greedy.

Okay, regarding the unwanted and unnecessary sparring between the above two posters, let's declare a draw (or a double victory) and move on. You both have made your points. Time to let the thread get back on track. Please.

From what I've read ITT so far, it does seem apparent that you only need to be a little bit under par in skill and know how to get crushed over a decent sample at OFC by a player of superior skill.

The confident way the OP analyses hands and plays in his videos and in his posts and the high level dissection of the math behind the game that he does, indicates that he is going to have a substantial edge over beginner and recreational players and a small to medium edge over the more serious players who are good but perhaps play slightly more on feel than him and less based on pure math equities and deep analysis strategy.

Assuming his stats on his video showing all games have not been doctored in any way, then they do fit in with all of the above.

Whilst there is no hard evidence that he is using a bot or an exploit in the app, what is obvious is that if you are playing OFC professionally as your main card game then you are going to use every tool possible. So *without* "cheating" you would be stupid not to have notes all over the place on paper and/or spreadsheets etc, or all over your walls, about the strategic dos and don'ts of OFC, equity calcs and all other relevant strategy relating to OFC, as well as all of the notes and playing knowledge that are naturally stored in your brain.

This is no different to playing NLHE on line and having notes on opponents, using push shove range charts, sticking things on the wall to remind you of some dos and don'ts and referring to all sorts of other data, analysis and strategy material whilst actually playing the game and in your study before and after games. None of this is cheating.

But the big area of doubt for me is whether the OP really is a relative fish in live play as I simply don't buy that you could be awful live in any card game but brilliant on line. I can accept that decisions may take you longer when you are new to the live game but not that you could make a lot of schoolboy basic errors and be half the player you are compared to playing on line.

However, it is in dispute as to whether the OP, Fernando, is a weak live player, because he claims that his live record is decent but Jason Mercier has disputed this and they have both basically given near opposite accounts of the live record in games played between Fernando and Natasha Mercier.

It is strange that they disagree so much about his live results and I think you have to get to the bottom of this subject before you can evaluate how likely it is that the OP has gone beyond simply using an ethical but highly skilled and well planned and executed approach on line, or if he has crossed the line and is using a bot, an app exploit or some kind of other unfair or unethical playing advantage.

IMO neither Fernando or Jason are likely to back down from their standpoint on the live results.

I feel that a better way to establish whether Fernando is a weakish to average player live or a very good player live is not for him to play Jason or Natasha live under the scrutiny of others, but for him to play a series of matches live against a variety of known and "graded" OFC players, under the scrutiny of others.

And these matches do not need to be at ego style high stakes, they can be at relatively low stakes as they would just be a method of establishing his standard of play playing live against a variety of strength of opponent. If the players can be found and he can demonstrate over a decent sample of hands that he has the kind of edge that he claims he has then I believe this would clear his name and support that his on line results are good purely because he has a playing edge.

Also the games can be observed by good OFC players who would easily be able to analyse the strength of his plays or otherwise, which would also point towards whether he really is good or not.

I have no idea about this particular situation but Jason staked me for HSNL for Annie. At the PCA, day 1, this guy comes to my door accusing me of stealing from him after a cash game loss the night b4. Ironically, he staked a few other players who were indeed pocketing some of his $, whom I tried to convince to stop...

Seems like he has a history of this kind of behavior...

For a while *

The very idea that Mercier is trigger happy with his accusations of cheating is easily disproved by a check of his twitter account, with an entirely randomly selected twitter from 3 days ago asking "How much was this kid on vandy paid to intentionally foul NWs 86% FT shooter vandy up 1 with 18 secs left Lol rigged #MarchMadness".

Oh.

Rosas may yet come up smelling of roses.

He has a history of this kind of behavior, but he's also been correct a lot. Sadly, the poker world attracts many scumbags and cheats. Anyone who's been around long enough would know this and err on the side of caution.