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Old 02-23-2017, 04:16 AM   #1
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Jason Mercier spreads unfounded cheating accusations

My name is Fernando Rosas (relaxursoul on Pineapple app) and I have been playing OFC obsessively for almost a year and a half. Around November 2015, I started playing Natasha Mercier on the app. She accepted because a player, who I was down about 1000 points to, referred her to me. Natasha ended up losing over 1900 points to me on the app.

At the 2016 PCA, I met Natasha in person and we played live OFC. This was my very first time playing the game live as opposed to on the app. When playing live, there are some very distinct adjustments one has to make when they have only played on the app. For example, being able to identify optimal fantasy land sets quickly without a sort button, counting the points in the hand (the app does this automatically), memorizing discards (on the app there is no need to memorize since you can see them there), and being able to distinguish suits clearly (the app has a 4 colored deck.) The first time I played Natasha live, she did not know that I had never played the game live before. I looked like a complete beginner during our session since I was playing extremely slow due to the new things I had to consider. Additionally, we were playing a mixture of high, low, and BDP, which was a game I had never played before, and she beat me during our short live session. I later learned that at the PCA she had told a well known player that I was probably cheating on the app via a bot.

Some months later, Natasha and I played in Vegas again and I remember clearly that she asked if she could see my app games. I showed her my games, which were mostly in the positive, and this information coupled with the fact that I played like a live beginner perpetuated her suspicion that I was using a bot on the app. During the WSOP, at one point Jason was asking for 5.5 odds to win the 3rd bracelet, so I asked him if he would do a 1500 point OFC race if I were to give him action on the bracelet bet. He declined. Weeks later, I offered to do a race to 1000 points and proposed that if he were to lose the race, I would play him any poker game HU after agreeing on parameters. Again he declined, and said in writing that he would never play me on the app, but would play me live.

As of now, one OFC player has confirmed to me that Jason told him directly that I was using a bot. Another player who I’m playing has complained to me about the rumors and finds the situation a tough spot now that I am up a significant number of points. From Mercier’s perspective and with all the information he has, I genuinely understand why he and Natasha arrived at this conclusion. When people ask him what he thinks about me, I do believe he is being sincere by stating he thinks I am cheating and I also believe he does not have any intention of defaming me, but rather has the intention of protecting people who he thinks can be cheated. Unfortunately, this kills almost all my action since most OFC players know Jason, and the rumor has spread to the point where I find it very difficult to find new action. As an OFC player who is not well known, my method of getting action is by offering to play and post to who I consider reputable players on the app. After the WSOP, two well known players agreed to play me, but then later on declined. There is a strong probability it was due to the bot rumor as they have direct connections to Jason.

After the WSOP, I put out several live streams of me playing OFC on Twitch. In one of the streams, a close friend, Jaclynn Moskow, appeared playing against me. Shortly after her appearance, Natasha quit playing her on the app. Jaclynn and I are both high volume OFC players and we have spent a considerable amount of time discussing and studying the game. Once it was known that we were friends, the bot rumor affected her directly. As she has been looking for action, multiple players have agreed to play her and then subsequently rescinded. Furthermore, these rumors have evolved to the point where public accusations of her cheating have been made.

If Jason or anyone else has any evidence of the “bot” I would be glad to see it.

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Old 02-23-2017, 04:47 AM   #2
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If you posted some of your OFC strategy or evidence of self-sophistication / game-learning, it would make whoever said you are a cheat look bad. Of course the Merciers could post similar evidence that your game has been garbage or totally alien, but i suspect they won't.
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Old 02-23-2017, 05:26 AM   #3
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I mean, ive played online poker for 13 years now. I can still not do a shuffle with chips live or look comfortable at all so I look like a total tool playing live except for my actual sizings and how i play my ranges or how I generally think about poker. This should have been clear to them aswell if you were indeed a very good player.

Now, mind you, I have never played OFC so I dont know if this "holds true" in OFC.
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Old 02-23-2017, 05:29 AM   #4
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shaun deeb‏@shaundeeb 6h6 hours ago
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@JaclynnMoskow keep cheating at Ofc you'll go far in poker
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Old 02-23-2017, 05:47 AM   #5
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I mean, ive played online poker for 13 years now. I can still not do a shuffle with chips live or look comfortable at all so I look like a total tool playing live except for my actual sizings and how i play my ranges or how I generally think about poker. This should have been clear to them aswell if you were indeed a very good player.

Now, mind you, I have never played OFC so I dont know if this "holds true" in OFC.
Well OFC live and online is a big difference as stated by OP.
online discards still shown, points, sorting etc.. is done automatically.
So when you are playing live it takes some time to adjust to this, but with OP's online experience he should be adjusted after 1 or 2 sessions...
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Old 02-23-2017, 05:59 AM   #6
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Re: Jason Mercier spreads unfounded cheating accusations

Are you saying they claim there's a bot that plays perfect or close to perfect OFC? Does this exist? Is it available publicly?
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Old 02-23-2017, 06:58 AM   #7
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Are you saying they claim there's a bot that plays perfect or close to perfect OFC? Does this exist? Is it available publicly?
From what I have read I believe OFC has been close enough to "solved" for some years now. You would be foolish to play for real money across the internet against anyone tbh.
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Old 02-23-2017, 07:59 AM   #8
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If you posted some of your OFC strategy or evidence of self-sophistication / game-learning, it would make whoever said you are a cheat look bad. Of course the Merciers could post similar evidence that your game has been garbage or totally alien, but i suspect they won't.
He should pay twice by giving up strat because someone spreads malicious information without evidence?

I only recently started playing live poker and I found myself playing my C-game quite early in the session. There are way more things to track that happen automatically online that I am not used to and this is NLHE. Pot size, chip stacks, antes; very basic stuff that we take for granted online but that takes a lot of energy to track when we are not used to it.

Also, I don't see why OP would seek out live action if he was relying on a bot.
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Old 02-23-2017, 08:13 AM   #9
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Well hu all of those things are pretty damn easy
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Old 02-23-2017, 08:20 AM   #10
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He should pay twice by giving up strat because someone spreads malicious information without evidence?

I only recently started playing live poker and I found myself playing my C-game quite early in the session. There are way more things to track that happen automatically online that I am not used to and this is NLHE. Pot size, chip stacks, antes; very basic stuff that we take for granted online but that takes a lot of energy to track when we are not used to it.

Also, I don't see why OP would seek out live action if he was relying on a bot.
it's an old school way of determining truth. or op could take on all comers live or on the app and prove he's no rube.
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Old 02-23-2017, 08:28 AM   #11
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From what I have read I believe OFC has been close enough to "solved" for some years now. You would be foolish to play for real money across the internet against anyone tbh.
That's what My understanding is as well it ran High for a little online then A lot of HS players found out that the game is Solved and action died, also You would never need a bot just the GTO solver that's out there for over 2 years now . . .
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Old 02-23-2017, 08:29 AM   #12
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Well OFC live and online is a big difference as stated by OP.
online discards still shown, points, sorting etc.. is done automatically.
So when you are playing live it takes some time to adjust to this, but with OP's online experience he should be adjusted after 1 or 2 sessions...
Lol I mostly play ofc on my phone but like once a month I play like 0,25 cents a point vs some experienced friends and I always forget to discard. It came to the point that one of my friends facing me reminded me to discard as soon as he saw I didn't do it lol. Pretty embarrassing considering we were betting real money.

Anyways, I completely understand what Op means even though I'm sure he's not as retarded as I am.
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Old 02-23-2017, 08:50 AM   #13
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Maybe Natasha is just a Bad Reggette
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Old 02-23-2017, 09:31 AM   #14
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Jaclynn Moskow - welcome back to page 1 of NVG....
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Old 02-23-2017, 09:50 AM   #15
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bad regs always accused the good ones for cheating, nothing news
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Old 02-23-2017, 10:16 AM   #16
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Not sure what you expect Jason to do. For certain reasons that aren't crazy, he believes you're using a bot. You know he thinks you're using a bot. I don't see in your post where you addressed it directly with him.

It doesn't sound like he's out there screaming from the top of his lungs that he thinks you are; he's just answering when people ask if it's safe to play you with his honest opinion. He's not obligated to do a full investigation about every player his friends ask him about, and I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for him to do so. It's a reverse freeroll for him - either you aren't using a bot and he tells friends it's safe, and nothing happens, or you are using a bot and he tells friends it's safe, and they get cheated. Not sure why he'd ever say it's ok to play anyone as he gains nothing unless you're a huge fish in which case I'm sure he'd just play you himself.
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Old 02-23-2017, 10:29 AM   #17
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sorry, but i gotta call bs on playing live badly story, you play ofc every day, but you have trouble telling hearts from diamonds live? above stories confirming that vision are clearly from rec players, not top competitors, you were either hustling or that happened differently
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Old 02-23-2017, 10:50 AM   #18
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That's what My understanding is as well it ran High for a little online then A lot of HS players found out that the game is Solved and action died, also You would never need a bot just the GTO solver that's out there for over 2 years now . . .
Where would I find this GTO solver... asking for a friend!
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Old 02-23-2017, 12:43 PM   #19
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I mean, ive played online poker for 13 years now. I can still not do a shuffle with chips live or look comfortable at all so I look like a total tool playing live except for my actual sizings and how i play my ranges or how I generally think about poker. This should have been clear to them aswell if you were indeed a very good player.

Now, mind you, I have never played OFC so I dont know if this "holds true" in OFC.
i know this feeling.. great unintentional angle when playing tho
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Old 02-23-2017, 01:01 PM   #20
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That's what My understanding is as well it ran High for a little online then A lot of HS players found out that the game is Solved and action died, also You would never need a bot just the GTO solver that's out there for over 2 years now . . .
i dont play OFC but given the bolded snippet above, it seems pretty ridiculous and poor form to accuse OP of "botting" in this manner
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Old 02-23-2017, 01:12 PM   #21
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Where would I find this GTO solver... asking for a friend!
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i dont play OFC but given the bolded snippet above, it seems pretty ridiculous and poor form to accuse OP of "botting" in this manner
Not a single thing I said meant he was bottling In fact You would never need a bot as the software can be run on another device to give the correct play, in fact I don't think OP was bottling at all just not aware of the landscape . . . .

That's like asking where can You find Russian PTR at this point no one is going to spoon feed You just look it up It's EZ Game, also shout out to the Russian Trueteller Much Love Timofey . . .


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Old 02-23-2017, 04:33 PM   #22
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Re: Jason Mercier spreads unfounded cheating accusations

For what it's worth, I've played Fernando at 50c/point over about 2000 hands during the last year or so. I have never played for more than 1 dollar per point, and I am nowhere near a professional poker player, this is just a recreational game for me. Over these hands, he is up about 200 points, a relatively insignificant number given the amount of hands. If he was using a bot or lying in any way, I don't think he would bother playing for such a low amount of money, and he definitely would be beating me by a much wider margin than 200 points. I have 100% faith that Fernando has never cheated in any way on this application.
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Old 02-23-2017, 05:06 PM   #23
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D1G1TALFOX is truly a incredible poster. there is no one like him. maybe he is the bot?
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natasha badreg mercier
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Not sure what you expect Jason to do. For certain reasons that aren't crazy, he believes you're using a bot. You know he thinks you're using a bot. I don't see in your post where you addressed it directly with him.

It doesn't sound like he's out there screaming from the top of his lungs that he thinks you are; he's just answering when people ask if it's safe to play you with his honest opinion. He's not obligated to do a full investigation about every player his friends ask him about, and I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for him to do so. It's a reverse freeroll for him - either you aren't using a bot and he tells friends it's safe, and nothing happens, or you are using a bot and he tells friends it's safe, and they get cheated. Not sure why he'd ever say it's ok to play anyone as he gains nothing unless you're a huge fish in which case I'm sure he'd just play you himself.
^ this. It's not unreasonable at all for them to ask you to play some live, in person, at the same stakes you played on the app. I've played with plenty of internet wizards during the wsop and they may not know how to shuffle chips but you can tell if their strategy is good or not.
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