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Jason Koon to run 100 m under 10.9 seconds? Jason Koon to run 100 m under 10.9 seconds?

05-17-2021 , 02:28 PM
a lot of "he could probably do it if (insert useful conditions), because (insert Justin Gatlin time)"

this seems like one of those things that will not happen, or will end in injury ... 35 is not as old as people are thinking though ... you are still able to compete near your peak level at 35 ... you just can't consistently outcompete someone younger whose peak levels require less exertion/concentration, so you don't see older players in professional sports as often ... veteran players can shine bright for a game or a series, but if it was best of 100 the younger, faster players would dominate ... the things that go are recovery, and muscle growth, but isolated output can still be very high for a healthy 35 year old, and duration of consistent training over the past few years is the real factor here ... Koon seems like an ultra-nit, and people who enjoy endurance training/running tend to do it for their entire life ...
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05-17-2021 , 02:56 PM
This made me remind a bet someone from my town took. There was a world snooker event (or whatever its called) in my country and every pool player that participated in any federated event could participate in the qualifying rounds.

He bet he could win at least a frame to a ranked snooker player. There were also several british professionals in the qualifiers but he has the luck of drawing one 8-ball champion of my country, which is also an amateur player. Lost 4-0 to him and maximum break was less than 20. The 8-ball champion also didn't manage to qualify next round. Both were probably drawing dead.
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05-17-2021 , 03:10 PM
ashman and busquet leveraged top 1% genetics into big $ wins in physical prop bets. not sure i would bet against koon doing the same. he has more time and access to better training than he did at 22, so i wouldn't be shocked if he is able to match that time. if he wins with a 10.94 and the bet is void if he gets injured, im kind of guessing he's a flip?
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05-17-2021 , 03:27 PM
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Originally Posted by vrael111
Everyone on 2+2 is a track&field expert all of a sudden.
You guys are hillarious
I wouldn't call myself an "expert" per se, as I was never an athlete. But I've covered track & field on and off for 26 years, worked on the media crew for the 2000 and 2004 Olympic Trials plus the 2006 NCAA Outdoor Championships.

Hopefully, that's enough to opine on whether or not a 36-year-old former D-II sprinter can hit close to his collegiate PR without sufficient training.
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05-17-2021 , 04:36 PM
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Originally Posted by vrael111
Everyone on 2+2 is a track&field expert all of a sudden.
No, but MrPoon is.
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05-17-2021 , 05:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Wilbury Twist
I wouldn't call myself an "expert" per se, as I was never an athlete. But I've covered track & field on and off for 26 years, worked on the media crew for the 2000 and 2004 Olympic Trials plus the 2006 NCAA Outdoor Championships.

Hopefully, that's enough to opine on whether or not a 36-year-old former D-II sprinter can hit close to his collegiate PR without sufficient training.
He couldn’t do it with Alberto Salazar providing him with special candy.
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05-18-2021 , 06:48 AM
Scumbaf
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05-18-2021 , 06:49 AM
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05-18-2021 , 07:47 AM
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Originally Posted by TucoSalamanca
https://mobile.twitter.com/JasonKoon...Ctwgr%5Eauthor

Cliffs:

- Koon sees DK Mercalf run 100 m@10.36 in his pro track debut
- Koon is impressed and gets asked what he could run
- Koon estimates 10.9
- David Joseph thinks ”zero chance” and offers 5 million bet
- Koon says two million is better for him
- Negotiations are still on
- Bill Perkins gives 100 k freeroll for the attempt

Can Koon do it?
not sure
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05-18-2021 , 12:21 PM
In a previous life I was one of the better 1500m runners in the us (top 5 at us nationals). I lived and breathed track for a long time. If you have the opportunity, bet heaps against koon if this has to be a wind legal FAT timed attempt on a track. Obviously there are plenty of ways to angle shoot this bet if allowed. I could run 4 minutes in the mile today without any conditions on the bet (downhill, wind aided, PED use etc...)

Very impressed he ran that fast in college btw, interesting dude.
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05-18-2021 , 01:36 PM
Lamar Jackson's HS 100 time wasn't sub 11. (I think)
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05-18-2021 , 04:43 PM
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Originally Posted by vrael111
Everyone on 2+2 is a track&field expert all of a sudden.
You guys are hillarious
+1
If Koon said he's done a sub 11, why would you bet against him? He's clearly training still
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05-18-2021 , 05:02 PM
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Originally Posted by JackBurton
This made me remind a bet someone from my town took. There was a world snooker event (or whatever its called) in my country and every pool player that participated in any federated event could participate in the qualifying rounds.

He bet he could win at least a frame to a ranked snooker player. There were also several british professionals in the qualifiers but he has the luck of drawing one 8-ball champion of my country, which is also an amateur player. Lost 4-0 to him and maximum break was less than 20. The 8-ball champion also didn't manage to qualify next round. Both were probably drawing dead.
Pool plebs lol.
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05-19-2021 , 11:22 AM
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Originally Posted by ceegee
+1
If Koon said he's done a sub 11, why would you bet against him? He's clearly training still
Because 10.9 is lightning.

And this is typical Koon. Numerous times the guy has been one card away from being stuck infinite amounts of money, rivered a miracle, & then started spouting delusional life advice.
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05-19-2021 , 12:28 PM
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Originally Posted by ceegee
+1
If Koon said he's done a sub 11, why would you bet against him? He's clearly training still
If this happens I’d be happy to bet 5 figures.
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05-19-2021 , 01:06 PM
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Originally Posted by MilkMan
Tell that to Kim Collins.
Thanks, I looked into him. That is pretty crazy... most sprinters peak in their 20s, he peaked in his 40s. I was thinking of Messi, I think he might be 36 now, still fast. Or other athletes that performed well at 36: MJ.

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Originally Posted by madlex
11 seconds is not even remotely close to 10 seconds in 100m. That’s just absurd.


Lol. If he’s serious about running 10.9 in a year, he’s able to run sub 12 right now or with minimal preparation.
My bad. 10s or 11s sounded like no big diffence, but it makes sense what you say.
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05-19-2021 , 06:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Wilbury Twist
Cool thread. Just caught this while covering a conference track meet remotely.




Yeah, I'm seeing the same. He ran for Division II West Virginia Wesleyan and his PR was 10.86.

As for "a hundred times," I suppose that's probably true if you count his workouts and maybe legs of the 4x100 relay, but a collegiate sprinter generally doesn't get much more than a dozen races per season for any given event – even if they qualify for the postseason meets. TFRRS only goes back to 2010, and the old WVIAC folded, so I can't find the meet results and rankings, nor can I tell if that 10.86 was wind-legal (one of David Joseph's requirements, as noted in the Twitter exchange.)

But that was then. Of course, the question is... could Koon do it now at his age?

It's certainly possible given that he is a former competitive sprinter, but that would be TOUGH for a guy who hasn't been competing all this time. After all, 10.9 is a helluva time even for people who continued their track careers into their 30s. Metcalf didn't keep doing track, but he has kept in elite shape for the NFL plus, you know, 23 years old.**

• In 2019, there were 26 people in his age division who ran 10.87 or faster in a sanctioned meet somewhere in the world, according to the World Masters Rankings.

• In 2018, 24 people in the world beat 10.90, again for the 35-39 age division. Three of those times did not meet the wind-assistance requirement of the bet.

• In 2017, only 12 beat that threshold, although Justin Gatlin, age 35 at the time, ran a 9.92 into a -0.8 m/s headwind. Freakish. Of course, he was coming off his appearance at the Rio Olympics when he finished second only to some guy named Usain Bolt.

**To illustrate the effect of age, look at the three bullets above. Then consider that among 40-44 year-olds, there have been 35 performances all-time at 10.9 or faster, wind-legal or otherwise. And fun fact, No. 6 on the list is former Chicago Bears Super Bowl Shuffler Willie Gault, who ran a 10.49 in 2005 – about a year after he stopped playing a Secret Service agent on The West Wing.
How many of those guys are white that ran under 10.9 age 35+?
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05-19-2021 , 08:39 PM
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Originally Posted by TomCollins
How many of those guys are white that ran under 10.9 age 35+?
More importantly, how many of those 10.9 35+ year olds had a PR of 10.8 or slower when they were younger? Probably zero. And anyone who thinks he might have some leg up on training at his age are disregarding the fact that he trained hard in college. You guys think he wasn't trying in college?
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05-19-2021 , 10:47 PM
I would say it's a hard no. The amount of people on the planet who can run under 11s in 100m is VERY small. The people on the planet who are 35 and can run 11s is scary small; that plus lack of proper track training in years, I would say it's very close to 0%
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05-20-2021 , 03:54 AM
I really hope he does it.
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05-20-2021 , 09:54 AM
on the surface this seems like the dumbest debate, but i find it compelling that the guy is willing to put a couple million up to try something that most people with his level of training/experience still wouldn't even bother attempting. kinda interesting. dude is a beast and a legit athlete, that's for sure.
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05-20-2021 , 10:33 AM
The cognitive dissonance in this thread that results from Koon running 10.94 will be earth-shattering
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05-20-2021 , 10:37 AM
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Originally Posted by PokerHero77
The cognitive dissonance in this thread that results from Koon running 10.94 will be earth-shattering
So, not 10.9?
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05-20-2021 , 10:41 AM
10.94 is technically 10.9.
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05-20-2021 , 11:04 AM
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Originally Posted by PokerHero77
10.94 is technically 10.9.
Depends on various factors including if you use another digit or not.

A German sprinter famously missed the 2004 Olympic qualifying standard of 10.21 because he was timed at 10.211 which is technically a 10.22. So 10.940 might technically be a 10.9 but 10.941 might not be.
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