If durrrr loaned a macao account from a business man nobody needs to know

No-one's talking about FL/RO, everyone knows that.

How are you so sure that none of these accounts are pros? They're not Macau fish playing these accounts.

It's not really that tough to sit in and play nosebleeds. Didn't Brian Townsend multi-account fairly easily on Stars? It's really not that tough to move money around and get it on a site if you get help from another party. I think you overestimate the difficulty of it.

what i dont get is, stars is pretty full on about multi-accounting and dodgy shenanigans as far as i can tell, so to me it doesn't seem THAT likely that guys with former well known accounts could just come up with 2nd accounts under diff names registration wise, and stars not look into it in-depth [this is under assumption their serious about MA'ing].

but its pretty obvious that you can't just have a bunch of competent, high stakes players appear out of nowhere and them just being random ppl who never played on stars previously?


Which leads me to this Q, do stars allow people to create 2nd accounts knowingly?

And if this is negative, are stars really that serious about MA'ing?

Why do you guys assume that they are bad players? They play nosebleeds and it's actually likely that some of them are pretty damn good. They are willing to take on anyone because compared to their usual stakes, 50/100 and 100/200 is LOL low.

Also, durrr/jm/ anyone else with so many hands online would never borrow an account from someone because all the HS players that play online would book them instantly. Some of these players have like 50K hands on them, lol. MA'ing is not what it used to be anymore and if there is any chance someone like durrr and ESPECIALLY JM were doing it, they would get called out instantly by one of the many HS regs that posts on these boards. Let it go guys.

I couldn't agree more with you, but let`s think about it:
I can currently think of three players a) isildur1, b) cadillac1949 and c) ginette22 which all bursted into the HS scene on Fulltilt and ALL the HS regs was sitting all day long waiting for them to come online. And this is not happening now, this leads me to belive it got to be someone who is most likely known.

Re-Read my post. The telling sign is the multitabling. I mean right now he is 2 tabling mixed games with PA and Alex Leneau, it just doesn't add up that it's a player who has no experience playing the highest games online before he joined stars.

It doesn't have to be JM or Durr, but I would like odds from you that it is somene who has played high stakes on another network.

It's really simple. Stars apply one set of rules to the average players and the high stakes players get completely different treatment. The high stakes games attract people to rail on the site and some will deposit to play. So it's really free marketing to allow the nosebleed games to run. Normal players have been banned and bankrolls seized for chip dumping, multi-accounting. Yet other high profile nosebleed players have been caught multi-accounting, able to keep playing on the site and keep their funds. eg. gordylamb, doesn't Brian Townsend still play on Stars? etc.

Re-read MY post.
I never said it was no one that has not played HS on another network. I said it is noone with a confirmed stars account. JM and durrr both have confirmed stars accounts.

hmm i dont know patpatman's betsizing doesnt seem like jungle rly (eg jungle used to open 2x and 3x hu, patpatman seems to have 2.5x as a standard open etc)

yea this, i'm just speculating it could be jungle because it doesnt make sense for him to be not playing there with all the action that goes down.

i think the chances that patpatman is just some recreational player from macao is close to 0%.

LOLOL @ Luneau's new avitar

No one finds it unbelievable that Macao richies turn up and play nosebleeds (Chaoren comes to mind?). What people find unbelievable is when they 10table while doing so, something that your typical millionare fish really doesn't do too much.

Also that patpat is sitting at a 200/400 table all alone waiting for action right now *KINDA* means that it's a known player

+1 two completely different worlds indeed!!!

I think it could be very harmful for stars if people were to find out they let high stakes regulars multi-account. Why take this risk now when they practically have a monopoly?

THE POINT IS that extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence and to even suggest that a pro is MAing on Stars is some heavy ****.

There's no reason to believe that it being a MAing pro is more likely than it just being a new player who has built their roll/skills on other sites or in live games, and the latter IMO requires less bold assumptions.

Only argument I really understand is that patpat doesn't get a ton of action, he's established himself, maybe pros have quickly decided that he's good. It shouldn't take a good player that long to gauge whether an opponent is a spot or not. Anyone want to search thru the HS thread and find patpat's first session or two? He probably got a ton of action the first couple of times he showed up but it might've only taken a couple thousand hands for people to decide he's not a fish.

While as my post above makes it clear that I highly doubt that patpat or long are jungle/durrrr etc., your claim can be quite easily referred to the fact that everyone knew Guy L. was MAing on FTP but it was still #1.

Then again FTP makes far more questionable decisions in general than Stars.

Proof?

All he's said is that his Stars roll is low (last post was that it was 36k), and yes he's selling his apartment, but no proof that he had to sell it in order to get more money on Stars, what he said was that he doesn't know if he's going to be able to move back to New York any time soon and it was just sitting empty (didn't want to rent it out for I forget what reason, I think he said he didn't like the idea).

Can't think of anyone that would need his own cash less, there are few people who would find it easier to get a stake for at least 25/50.

The fact that he is from Macao makes it more likely that he is some known pro imho

loveminuszero - maybe for one account, but a whole bunch of different accounts within months of each other?

barcode
vietrussian
pokerparty
patpatman
chaoren

especially barcode, his been destroying high stakes, people just don't appear from nowhere, 10 table 10kplo and crush it.

especially x 10 with guys like jungle, palmer, ashman???, gordylamb guy, durr not playing his holdem accnt, seemingly disappearing

Almost certainly at least one person who has had a stars account in the past is playing high stakes under a new/bought account, i think that is pretty much beyond a doubt.



would love to hear ben86's thoughts on this issue, but i totally understand why he wouldn't want to touch this issue given he plays in these games and well he gains nothing from talking about it. If anyone could be a credible judge of the issue of who is playing these new accounts, besides someone like phil, it'd be him.

Well, I can quote myself from 01/09 which was his first HS day

He played 50/100 6max PLO against the players named over here, and some 100/200 6max NL.

Yeah, it´s pretty sickening.

I mean, all those 2NL grinders from China who suddenly jumped into 200/400, the pokerparty story where everybody and their aunt seemed to think it was GordyLamb, mister bar code who comes out of nowhere and just absolutely DESTROYS some of the toughtest games on the net, vietrussian who got called "jungle" in chat and just replied "ty" etc etc. Let´s not forget ChaoRen who alledegedly is the same player we always thought played under omlphalotus (?) etc etc.

I guess it´s the wild west again?

(EDIT: didn´t read belisker´s post before writing, but I guess we came to the same conclusions by looking at the same examples)

doubt vietrussian is jungle given viet's chat

some big stacks in the 400/800 8-game which means possible big pots in the NLHE and PLO rounds if anyone can keep the tables open, I'm heading to class soon so can't.

only sizeable hand I saw before I have to leave


1BB = 800 so this pot was about $18,000


Poker Stars $400/$800 Limit Stud Hi/Lo $100 Ante - 4 players - View hand 1617924
DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History Converter

3rd Street: (1 SB)
patpatman: xx xx Q ____patpatman folds
BiatchPeople: xx xx 8 ____BiatchPeople completes____BiatchPeople calls
ChaoRen160: xx xx 8 ____ChaoRen160 raises
V. Wahlbeck: xx xx 7 ____V. Wahlbeck brings in for $100____V. Wahlbeck calls

4th Street: (7 SB) (3 players)
BiatchPeople: xx xx 8 3 ____BiatchPeople bets____BiatchPeople 3-bets____BiatchPeople calls
ChaoRen160: xx xx 8 K ____ChaoRen160 checks____ChaoRen160 raises____ChaoRen160 caps!
V. Wahlbeck: xx xx 7 9 ____V. Wahlbeck checks____V. Wahlbeck calls____V. Wahlbeck calls

5th Street: (9.5 BB) (3 players)
BiatchPeople: xx xx 8 3 A ____BiatchPeople raises____BiatchPeople caps!
ChaoRen160: xx xx 8 K K ____ChaoRen160 bets____ChaoRen160 3-bets____ChaoRen160 calls
V. Wahlbeck: xx xx 7 9 T ____V. Wahlbeck calls____V. Wahlbeck folds

6th Street: (18.5 BB) (2 players)
BiatchPeople: xx xx 8 3 A 5 ____BiatchPeople bets
ChaoRen160: xx xx 8 K K J ____ChaoRen160 checks____ChaoRen160 calls

7th Street: (20.5 BB) (2 players)
BiatchPeople: xx xx 8 3 A 5 xx____BiatchPeople bets
ChaoRen160: xx xx 8 K K J xx____ChaoRen160 checks____ChaoRen160 calls

Final Pot: 22.5 BB
BiatchPeople shows 3 A 8 3 A 5 5 (HI: two pair, Aces and Fives)
ChaoRen160 mucks 8 K K J
BiatchPeople wins 22.494 BB
(Rake: $5.00)