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*** January 2019 High Stakes Thread *** *** January 2019 High Stakes Thread ***

01-04-2019 , 10:21 AM
So Berri Sweet was curshing Ansky who was working together with the best PLO Player at that time and the two probably smartest people in poker? That sounds like the biggest achievement anyone ever did in poker
01-04-2019 , 10:50 AM
maybe he got dealt better cards???
01-04-2019 , 11:24 AM
From what I remember, people started to study game theory with software before stoxpoker/cardrunnersev came to the public. See old Alix Martin videos. I'm sure that later evolved to piosolver like software before that was available to the public, the same with omaha later. Anyway it is for studying the game, as that takes a long time to come to a solution on the fly in real time.

Also, one thing is studying and planning strategies, another completelly different is applying them at the table. Just look at how many years OtB and Ben86 were at the top of the game until LLinus and BERRI stormed through. You also have to be hungry and super smart to know how to apply the strategy you studied in the moment of playing.
01-04-2019 , 12:49 PM
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Originally Posted by NINzent
So Berri Sweet was curshing Ansky who was working together with the best PLO Player at that time and the two probably smartest people in poker? That sounds like the biggest achievement anyone ever did in poker
To be fair I do recall Berri running A LOT over EV (though still having a winning EV line)
01-04-2019 , 01:07 PM
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Originally Posted by JackBurton
Also, one thing is studying and planning strategies, another completelly different is applying them at the table. Just look at how many years OtB and Ben86 were at the top of the game until LLinus and BERRI stormed through. You also have to be hungry and super smart to know how to apply the strategy you studied in the moment of playing.
Ben86 and Sauce are still at the top of the game in HUPLO. R4lti said that no one plays them. But he thought that he would have a clear edge against Sauce over the first 2-4k hands due to the fact that Sauce hasn't played in a while. Besides that (as already mentioned and most importantly) Sauce will pay you x bb/100 for the game. Cumicon did btw get a similar handicap deal where he got paid when he played Ben!

Last edited by Allin_NILLA; 01-04-2019 at 01:18 PM.
01-04-2019 , 05:55 PM
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Originally Posted by insyder19
. If they notice any kind of difference between your play (lower cbet or c/r frequency), you will be banned.
I can imagine that OTB et al would really struggle to maintain their x/r and cbet frequencies without any real time software
01-04-2019 , 05:59 PM
So did ansky quit poker for good? Surprising to hear he worked so close with such good players. He never seemed nearly as good as his 2 mentors
01-04-2019 , 06:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Couchsock
So did ansky quit poker for good? Surprising to hear he worked so close with such good players. He never seemed nearly as good as his 2 mentors
A bit sad. For me it was pretty cool that at least one of the 2M2M guys continued to play high stakes cash games after the poker boom was over. Still remember one of Joey's podcasts with Ansky where he was super pumped to grind PLO.
01-04-2019 , 06:41 PM
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Originally Posted by JackBurton
Also, one thing is studying and planning strategies, another completelly different is applying them at the table. Just look at how many years OtB and Ben86 were at the top of the game until LLinus and BERRI stormed through. You also have to be hungry and super smart to know how to apply the strategy you studied in the moment of playing.
It is fairly simple to simply do what the solver tells you, if you are able to get the solutions in real time. However, I guess very smart players like Sauce and Ben will exploit your GTO gameplan so bad if you simply apply what the solvers tell you without readjusting.

Does anyone know what separates LLinus from the field? What was/is he doing differently compared to everyone else? Can a human actually come up with his own "new" or "better" solution for some spots in NL that no solver has found out yet?
01-04-2019 , 07:01 PM
maybe the solver becomes less efficient/more wonky at deeper stacks and linus made the best solver-based adjustments for deepstack play.
01-04-2019 , 08:33 PM
I'd think its way more likely Linus ran better than anyone else rather than he was that much better than anyone else. Poker is easy when you always have it and suck out when you don't.
01-04-2019 , 08:43 PM
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Originally Posted by coordi
I'd think its way more likely Linus ran better than anyone else rather than he was that much better than anyone else. Poker is easy when you always have it and suck out when you don't.
he's run 100k under EV for this sample at least

01-04-2019 , 09:01 PM
Running under all in ev isn't the same as running under EV
01-04-2019 , 09:13 PM
you specifically accused him of sucking out a lot but nice save
01-04-2019 , 11:18 PM
2 pages. Not a single HH. Just drivel
01-04-2019 , 11:21 PM
"accused" lol

Is he your daddy?
01-05-2019 , 06:03 AM
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Originally Posted by mrno1324
he's run 100k under EV for this sample at least

I dont think llinus posted that somewhere, where did u get that one from?
01-05-2019 , 06:13 AM
PGA Tour events are won by the guy who putts best/hottest out of ~the best 5 ball strikers for that week (and there's huge variance in putting stats).

In poker you take the people who have the top 10 (or 20) strategies at those stakes and whoever has run best for the previous 300-500k hands gets anointed the best in the world.
01-05-2019 , 09:58 AM
pretty sure if you want to see whos the best just check whos holding 10k at peak times and you will find your answer

Spoiler:
unless dawn is online
01-05-2019 , 10:36 AM
If you're up big with both your red and blue line, you're running good.

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Originally Posted by Mayox
pretty sure if you want to see whos the best just check whos holding 10k at peak times and you will find your answer

Spoiler:
unless dawn is online
Don't entirely agree with this.
There's great players who mostly bum hunt and they don't make any noise and there's gamblers who'll play basically anyone, even in -EV games and they sometimes get the lobby because of it.
But obviously those guys are still very good.
01-05-2019 , 10:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Mayox
pretty sure if you want to see whos the best just check whos holding 10k at peak times and you will find your answer

Spoiler:
unless dawn is online
The players who hold the lobbies are usually the best combo HU/6max players and the more gambley/egotistical ones. Not necessarily strictly the best at say 6max but I agree there is typically large overlap.
01-05-2019 , 11:12 AM
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Originally Posted by MilkMan
PGA Tour events are won by the guy who putts best/hottest out of ~the best 5 ball strikers for that week (and there's huge variance in putting stats).

In poker you take the people who have the top 10 (or 20) strategies at those stakes and whoever has run best for the previous 300-500k hands gets anointed the best in the world.
I've talked with my golf coach and he said that Tiger is by far the best of all time and it's not even close. Is there really any luck involved in Golf? I guess in Football there is quite some luck over a small sample, there is basically no luck in Tennis and many other sports. Nadal would just never lose a match on clay if he's not sick to an opponent who is worse.
01-05-2019 , 12:22 PM
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Originally Posted by insyder19
It is fairly simple to simply do what the solver tells you, if you are able to get the solutions in real time. However, I guess very smart players like Sauce and Ben will exploit your GTO gameplan so bad if you simply apply what the solvers tell you without readjusting.

so its not gto
01-05-2019 , 12:39 PM
01-05-2019 , 02:25 PM
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Originally Posted by MagikarpFTW
What is he implying with this?

      
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