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*** January 2019 High Stakes Thread *** *** January 2019 High Stakes Thread ***

01-02-2019 , 11:16 PM
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Originally Posted by D33P
where is link to recap all 2018?
Somewhere in 18 hsdb stopped updating its results. They said they were working in updating the site etc, but I haven't seen anything. It would be cool if they just showed the biggest pots and top winners and not track everyone's results publicly. Or people could opt out but the top winners would be shown as it would be considered newsworthy.
01-02-2019 , 11:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Zurich_1
hilarious. Kalapoju getting pwned

give 2 free cards: check
make wrong sized raise on river: check
call re-raise getting pwned by straight or set: check
I played it worse there. Was like 10h into the match so it's almost more about who makes less bad plays, than who has superior strat.
01-02-2019 , 11:39 PM
it was fine... until the river
01-03-2019 , 12:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Allin_NILLA
Yeah, normally you don't get to hear that many details about the highest stakes and the bosses that do play there. For example he mentioned that Sauce will pay you x amount of bb/100 in order for Sauce to get HU action. 10/20 can in fact be x-booked to 200/400 with betting on the side etc. Cool if Joey invites him to the podcast.

Some cliffs from the podcast:

R4lti accepted a coaching- and staking offer by GOAT cumicon when he moved up to higher stakes in HUPLO.

Isildur1 considers a move to Malta because of the new gambling laws in Sweden.

He said that Ansky/Supernova was "rotten" even tho he had the same software as Ben, Sauce and Ike. Ansky refused playing him on webcam (R4lti wanted this in case Ben was sitting with him etc) because he "didn't want to give out tells" which R4lti didn't really believe since Ansky has played huge live games on tv. R4lti ended up playing him anyway and won like 10 buy-ins. Got contacted by Trueteller about that match against Ansky. Afterwards it turned out that Trueteller, Chaoren and Bajskorven had bet on R4lti who they didn't know had played every session against Ansky smashed on his vacation in Thailand!

Apparently it's standard among the HS pros to not tell any of the HU opponents beforehand that they've bet on the match, in order to not put pressure on them etc.
Where is the podcast? Only in Swedish?
01-03-2019 , 12:52 AM
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Originally Posted by yocrackattack
Where is the podcast? Only in Swedish?
Correct.
01-03-2019 , 02:55 AM
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Originally Posted by spewmonk3y
I played it worse there. Was like 10h into the match so it's almost more about who makes less bad plays, than who has superior strat.
Your river 1/3 pot bet was great. I guess you can also choose to bet double or 1.5X pot there as well.

What was the result for 10h vs. KP?

Last edited by Zurich_1; 01-03-2019 at 03:17 AM.
01-03-2019 , 04:02 AM
10x increase in pot size is the new giving 2 free cards, only in 2019
01-03-2019 , 05:39 AM
Why is the 1/3 pot on river good? 2 river improves only 54, and IP can raise any size vs small bet anyway.

You are not inducing a raise from any naked Ax, and can bet big yourself. I don't see any value hands that wants to play this way. If you've got a value hand that has to block on such a runout, it prob is a low frequency x/r and barrel in the first place.

AQ imo played it fine until river. Got enough money in as it should before then.
01-03-2019 , 05:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Zurich_1
Your river 1/3 pot bet was great. I guess you can also choose to bet double or 1.5X pot there as well.

What was the result for 10h vs. KP?
Go away, troll.
01-03-2019 , 06:02 AM
Havent listened to the interview but...

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Originally Posted by Allin_NILLA
Isildur1 considers a move to Malta because of the new gambling laws in Sweden.
This strikes me as odd. I thought nothing changed for the player with the new laws to incentivise moving abroad. While writing this I realize that the one thing I've seen is that we Swedes can no longer get rakeback from sites. That's the ONLY change for us that I can think of. Ofc a major thing for a lot of people though, but still..
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Originally Posted by Allin_NILLA
Afterwards it turned out that Trueteller, Chaoren and Bajskorven had bet on R4lti who they didn't know had played every session against Ansky smashed on his vacation in Thailand!
Most interesting part about this is almost that TT is hanging out with Thurtiz and Bajs..
01-03-2019 , 06:05 AM
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Originally Posted by watergun7
Why is the 1/3 pot on river good? 2 river improves only 54, and IP can raise any size vs small bet anyway.

You are not inducing a raise from any naked Ax, and can bet big yourself. I don't see any value hands that wants to play this way. If you've got a value hand that has to block on such a runout, it prob is a low frequency x/r and barrel in the first place.

AQ imo played it fine until river. Got enough money in as it should before then.
You are not inducing a raise from any naked Ax but you are also probably not getting a call by overbetting the pot. But you are inducing a raise from many two pair and sets. As I said, 2x pot is also a viable option here.
01-03-2019 , 06:06 AM
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Originally Posted by vesku
Go away, troll.
Shut your hole
01-03-2019 , 07:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Allin_NILLA
Yeah, normally you don't get to hear that many details about the highest stakes and the bosses that do play there. For example he mentioned that Sauce will pay you x amount of bb/100 in order for Sauce to get HU action. 10/20 can in fact be x-booked to 200/400 with betting on the side etc. Cool if Joey invites him to the podcast.

Some cliffs from the podcast:

R4lti accepted a coaching- and staking offer by GOAT cumicon when he moved up to higher stakes in HUPLO.

Isildur1 considers a move to Malta because of the new gambling laws in Sweden.

He said that Ansky/Supernova was "rotten" even tho he had the same software as Ben, Sauce and Ike. Ansky refused playing him on webcam (R4lti wanted this in case Ben was sitting with him etc) because he "didn't want to give out tells" which R4lti didn't really believe since Ansky has played huge live games on tv. R4lti ended up playing him anyway and won like 10 buy-ins. Got contacted by Trueteller about that match against Ansky. Afterwards it turned out that Trueteller, Chaoren and Bajskorven had bet on R4lti who they didn't know had played every session against Ansky smashed on his vacation in Thailand!

Apparently it's standard among the HS pros to not tell any of the HU opponents beforehand that they've bet on the match, in order to not put pressure on them etc.
He also talked about playing against sauce again later in january but probably bigger and also have plans to play ben and berri too. He also said that he thinks Imsogood is the best at Hu atm. He talked about coaching too, that the top guys could charge ~5k/h and that ben would charge 20k/h
01-03-2019 , 08:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Allin_NILLA
Yeah, normally you don't get to hear that many details about the highest stakes and the bosses that do play there. For example he mentioned that Sauce will pay you x amount of bb/100 in order for Sauce to get HU action. 10/20 can in fact be x-booked to 200/400 with betting on the side etc. Cool if Joey invites him to the podcast.

Some cliffs from the podcast:

R4lti accepted a coaching- and staking offer by GOAT cumicon when he moved up to higher stakes in HUPLO.

Isildur1 considers a move to Malta because of the new gambling laws in Sweden.

He said that Ansky/Supernova was "rotten" even tho he had the same software as Ben, Sauce and Ike. Ansky refused playing him on webcam (R4lti wanted this in case Ben was sitting with him etc) because he "didn't want to give out tells" which R4lti didn't really believe since Ansky has played huge live games on tv. R4lti ended up playing him anyway and won like 10 buy-ins. Got contacted by Trueteller about that match against Ansky. Afterwards it turned out that Trueteller, Chaoren and Bajskorven had bet on R4lti who they didn't know had played every session against Ansky smashed on his vacation in Thailand!

Apparently it's standard among the HS pros to not tell any of the HU opponents beforehand that they've bet on the match, in order to not put pressure on them etc.
Any further details on the software they all used? As far as I remember, Ansky quit poker after a huge downswing, right? Seems weird to quit the game with a software, that can easily destroy 10/20?
01-03-2019 , 09:04 AM
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Originally Posted by insyder19
Any further details on the software they all used? As far as I remember, Ansky quit poker after a huge downswing, right? Seems weird to quit the game with a software, that can easily destroy 10/20?
no elaboration at all on the software, I thought the interviewer should have tried to dig deeper into that too.

though r4lti did say (in passing) at a later point in the conversation that one of the reasons skill gaps have been shrinking between top PLO players in the last 2 or so years is that "the solver has been released publicly now"/"they have released the solver to the public now" (cant remember the exact wording). He did say "the solver" though which I thought could be interpreted as certain players having previous exclusive access to the same solver that is now used by more people, and the 2~ year timeframe is pretty consistent with the release of monkersolver iirc

this is mere speculation on my part though and there is a good chance he was talking about two entirely different pieces of software
01-03-2019 , 09:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Loctus
This strikes me as odd. I thought nothing changed for the player with the new laws to incentivise moving abroad. While writing this I realize that the one thing I've seen is that we Swedes can no longer get rakeback from sites. That's the ONLY change for us that I can think of. Ofc a major thing for a lot of people though, but still..
Aren't player transfers banned for Swedes with the new law? R4lti mentioned transfers between players on poker sites as well as potential legal issues using Skrill.
01-03-2019 , 10:20 AM
In
01-03-2019 , 10:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Allin_NILLA
Aren't player transfers banned for Swedes with the new law? R4lti mentioned transfers between players on poker sites as well as potential legal issues using Skrill.
Aaaah, yes, true. I can see how that'll cause a cluster**** for HS players. Good point
01-03-2019 , 10:36 AM
20k/h? How can any player turn a profit at this price?
01-03-2019 , 01:27 PM
What exactly do these softwares do that sauce, ike, ben have?
01-03-2019 , 01:33 PM
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Originally Posted by FishyMe
What exactly do these softwares do that sauce, ike, ben have?
It's the dream machine
It's probably just a home made solver they designed before you could buy solvers
01-03-2019 , 01:36 PM
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Originally Posted by voltio22
20k/h? How can any player turn a profit at this price?
The answer is in the question really
01-03-2019 , 02:57 PM
It would be interesting learn more about the Ansky vs Berri Sweet battle. I heard rumours that Ansky was getting backed by Ben Tollerene and Ike.

It would also be very interesting to learn more about the Cumicon vs Ben86 battle. I heard rumours that while they were playing 10/20 they were xbooking huge and outsiders were betting massive on it.
01-03-2019 , 03:37 PM
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Originally Posted by PuckFokerGo
It would be interesting learn more about the Ansky vs Berri Sweet battle. I heard rumours that Ansky was getting backed by Ben Tollerene and Ike.
They talked about that and r4lti said that ben, Sauce and ike lost really big due to this battle
01-03-2019 , 03:38 PM
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Originally Posted by HamSellerSamHeller
no elaboration at all on the software, I thought the interviewer should have tried to dig deeper into that too.

though r4lti did say (in passing) at a later point in the conversation that one of the reasons skill gaps have been shrinking between top PLO players in the last 2 or so years is that "the solver has been released publicly now"/"they have released the solver to the public now" (cant remember the exact wording). He did say "the solver" though which I thought could be interpreted as certain players having previous exclusive access to the same solver that is now used by more people, and the 2~ year timeframe is pretty consistent with the release of monkersolver iirc

this is mere speculation on my part though and there is a good chance he was talking about two entirely different pieces of software
Thanks for the input.

I think back then there were rumors on Joeys Podcast about Berri having some sort of software, Ike as well. So I guess in a business, where you can make x mil/year it makes a lot of sense to find people, who can help your game by designing solvers or any other software.

I really wonder though, how many regs use it in real time. I was told by a very solid source that in NL, almost anyone in the highstakes world is using them while playing. While that would make sense I also heard that if you start crushing the games Stars instantly emails and gives you 48 hours to record a session. If they notice any kind of difference between your play (lower cbet or c/r frequency), you will be banned.

Then we have people like cumicon, who pretty much said he didn't even work on his game and crushed anyone.

      
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