this is pretty gross, huge $# from the looks of the fbook group. he played me often at plo, which he was drawing dead at.

Maybe Canada is different, but this guy would be in jail pretty quickly in the USA for passing bad checks and fraud. Don't see how you don't go and report him to the DA the very second you get a bad check and he doesn't have the money.

you can't put any blame on this to jstclk, he's taking more responsibility than he should have as it is. he happened to befriend a scammer and got duped just as hard as most ppl if not harder

I didn't see any blaming in his post, just (as jstclk himself admitted) a completely legitimate question given that he sent money to a jstclk account on which Shak was playing.

I don't know anything about the people involved, but my gut feeling (fwiw, obviously) is that jstclk is being honest here, and if he is then (as you said) he really can't be blamed for what happened.

I also think that his resolve (again, if honest) to not take any money from Shak until all the victims have been repaid goes well beyond what the vast majority of people, poker players or not, would offer to do in this situation.

EDIT:
Just reread RhoneX's post and it is definitely blamier than what I had in mind when writing my post. Still feels legitimate given the circumstances he describes, in my opinion.

Do pro poker players have any idea how disgusting it looks to recreational players when they talk about account swapping/sharing like its no big deal at all :?

this^ seems like most poker players are to scared to hire someone to go recover their stolen money for them, you're not paying to have him killed you're paying a "professional" to get your money back from a scumbag, fack the police or lawyers they are no help to you thats just a waist of time

heard it "through the grapevine" that he skipped out and is in Saskatchewan with family members. How convenient since I am in Regina.

Sadly if he is in casino in Regina I cant go look for him there, Im still riding out a 5 year ban for trying to throw a guy out a 2nd floor window.

I do not regard myself as a professional and do not play for a living. The account (with virtually zero playing history) was given to Shak for only him to use.

I believe that lifebanning people because they played when they were underage is wrong and feel morally fine circumventing such a rule as it is a draconian punishment for a victimless action. I suppose I will never know if that was the real reason why he was banned, but those were my thoughts at the time.

I would never MA or account swap to gain an edge by having people think i am someone else etc

I would hope that most of the victims would agree that we are better than that and would not want such thuggery perpetrated in our names. We are pursuing Shak thru the court system for a judgment. Acting with civility and with human respect is what sets us apart from Shak. I wouldn't want to descend to that level for any reason, let alone a debt.

It's not up to you to determine the cause of action for violating the terms of service with multiple legal jurisdictions in play (both of the home site, their regulatory body, and the offender).

It's also ignorant and naive to believe that others wouldn't confuse your 888 alias, style of play, and presumed profitability with your known accounts on other sites.

You obviously lack the foresight to run a business or relate to the bigger picture. Thanks for admitting you're not a pro as you likely will never be continuing with such poor decisions. Well played, again. I hope your 888 account is suspended with your admission itt.

Oh brother did you type this while sitting down to pee? Enjoy not getting your money back through those means

eh you giving him the account isn't the smartest thing even tho I agree there isn't anything morally wrong

gradx, point makes sense but is moot at the end of the day as it is foolish to assume ppl are same names on all sites, u realise a lottttt of regs purposely make their names another user on other site?

I smell bankruptcy in Shak's future while the victims lose even more money retaining an attorney.

Exactly

I did actually consider this at the time. The stated intention was that he use the account to play mtts, which, due to hundreds of hours of working on our games together, i believed were quite similar with any true edge differences being quite small.

You do make a very good point about identity. To be honest i do not consider myself anywhere near enough of a known quantity in the poker world that somebody is legitimately playing a different strategy on a different site because they think they are playing against me. If there were playing history on the account and people will have developed hud stats that then deviate it is a different story.

With all of that said, the account was undeniably in my name, and in future I will make sure all representations of me are actually me.

Obviously everyone realizes that there can be imitators and other aliases which is why I prefaced it with "known aliases." A high degree of correlation can be made through ring but with tournaments that's another story. It was a hypothetical mainly because Shak didn't own the account and would always be subject to a situation where the original owner reclaimed it.

You played 7241 MTTs on poker stars alone in 2015.....But your not a professional ?

He's not a professional, I can attest to the fact that jstclkdabtn runs a small business; i've been to his office personally. He had a ridiculous heater over the last year, which I assume led to him playing a lot more volume than he normally would. It is irrelevant whether he is a professional poker player or not anyway. He clearly exercised poor judgement trying to help out a friend with a sob story in Shak by letting him use the 888 account; but given he didn't play on 888 himself or profit from it there was clearly no malicious intent.

Pretty much everyone including me has broken the TOS technically in some way at some point in their poker career. Yes, it was a stupid decision but I don't think it's something that should harm his reputation as a poker player, although clearly his judgement is/was poor in this instance.

Unreal how deep this scam runs... He def duped many people to selflessly satisfy his gambling need.

I was in Berlin when he told Ant Zinno that his investor had most of his action in his biggest scores (LAPT and Thrill (not sure about Milly)). I'm not sure of his staker although he mentioned a name, but I can't recall it. Maybe it was jstclkdabtn, but that is speculation. He appeared tight with Big Huni while in Berlin... Think they were rooming together. Over the next week I will assemble all of my data ( money transfers, Skype chat, screen names/email info/etc) that I have on him. I will provide it to some of the people I know that were scammed, so if they pursue legal recourse they can use it.

It's relevant as its curious he scrambled to affirm himself as a non pro, at the same time his character is being questioned by posters whose posts keep getting removed

He backed a guy he knew was a scammer

He gave him one of his own accounts to play on

He's seemingly desperate to assert himself as a non pro despite playing an average of 20 MTTs A DAY on a single site .....as well as evidence of significant live action. Guess he's trying to fly under the tax radar?

Then we have you, (who used to douche it up swinging your poker dick around here before u started badly losing).....giving us a speech about him being a super nice guy among other posters talking about what a douche bag/troll he's been on reddit etc. (not really something a super nice guy bothers with)

Plot thickens really ...what TOS did u break Swoop?

I'd love to know how all the tough guys around here think they can get blood from a stone.... You can't scare a person into giving you something they don't have. He's very likely legit cash bust. So go swing a pipe at his head all you want. He'll likely roll into a ball and start crying.

Is legal action going to work any better? Probably not. But at least at the end of the day, I don't face a legal recourse myself.

Also, did it even cross your minds that it's entirely possible that one of the victims is an attorney? Or that possibly we know attorneys who are willing to work pro bono? People who have no idea what is going on, really should keep quiet.

20 MTTs a day average on one site isn't hard if you multi table and play long sessions after work or on your days off. I haven't done that myself since I stopped playing professionally about 6-7 months ago, but I easily could if I chose to do that in my time off. Pretty sure Daniel plays 99%+ of his volume on Stars. Also, gambling winnings are tax free in Australia unless you're conducting a gambling business which playing poker is not, he's not dodging taxes.

Regarding TOS; chargeback (had valid reasons 7+ years ago; stars reinstated my account and rescinded their request for me to pay) and having someone click buttons for me during a blackout/internet disconnect or whatever for a few minutes until I could get to a connection and vice versa. I'm sure pretty much everyone who has grinded in a group environment at any stage has accidentally commented on a real time hand (not at the same table of course) for one of their friends as well on rare occasion. I can't recall specific instances of doing this but i'm sure I have at some point. I also have no problem with people VPNing to get around geoblocking personally so long as they aren't impersonating someone else/multiaccounting/account sharing, although I haven't done it personally.

There's a big ethical difference between breaking the TOS to get an advantage over other players, or 'technically' breaching the TOS but gaining no advantage personally as was the case here on Daniel's end.

On Shak's end he's guilty of pretty much everything a poker player can be guilty of; slowpaying, overselling, phantom bullets, outright scamming etc. and he should be avoided at all costs and taken through the legal system

Just want to putmy 2 cents in about if a recreational can put in a high volume of mtts. Im easily playing 15-30 mtts per day and dont consider myself as a pro or any kind near that. And also have thousands of mtts per year and thats stars only. Would be more if i would add other sites. And i think lot of other players are like myself.
Gl to the people who he owes money.

Agree shak seems like utter filth, interesting though that when the {serious playing poker community} have your world opened up when exposing others ....you manage to come across as extremely shady.

Not really buying that 20 MTTs a day every day for a year, plus live play, plus running a stable, plus owning operating a small business (which I do) ...."isn't hard" . Seems super dubious ....but I guess possible?

With admitting to allowing others to play on his accounts one might wonder if there's more to this. Just sayin

Never trust a person whose name you can't pronounce.