Iovation does seem to be the best choice of vendors from this standpoint. But that doesn't let them off the hook and they should not be allowed to be licensed for the online gaming sector in the U.S. (or anywhere).

OTOH, if they dump Pierson and Karl, and set up a fund to compensate all players who were not fully compensated for the cheating as well as anyone who lost money on UB or AP due to Black Friday, then I don't think players would continue to oppose their licensing. In the long run, the millions they would need to spend to do this will easily be covered by revenues from the regulated online gaming markets.

^^ might be the way to go because it seems these guys are gonna be sticking around http://www.marketwatch.com/story/iov...ice-2013-05-13

Paraphrasing a popular 2+2 meme using a quote from that article

Every day, iovation stops more than 150,000 fraud attempts...
But how many did they let through?

Really disturbing that the best choice for Internet gaming fraud protection is Iovation. Who is deeply involved in one of the biggest Internet gaming frauds known today. Just saying that they are the best option makes my skin curl!! What the!!!

Does anybody know what software Ultimate Poker is using now since they dropped Iovation.

William A. Reynolds @ReynoldsXO

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@reynoldsxo Thanks - please have commenters reach out to Suzanne Stevens - (503) 219-3480

h/t: kevmath

Make sure she knows about this. A local issue.

Greg Pierson nominated as Ernst & Young Entrepreneur of the Year for the Pacific Northwest:

http://www.ey.com/US/en/About-us/Ent...view_Page_Main

We talked about this a lot on last night's Poker Advocacy with Rich Muny webcast. I gave PX a good shoutout for this, of course.

Iovation has dealings with other similar companies:
http://www.businesswire.com/news/hom...ancial-Results

http://online.wsj.com/article/PR-CO-...googlenews_wsj

Doug Shafer(CFO of Iovation) is also being honored on May 16th at a 2013 CFO of the year awards Luncheon in Portland.
http://www.bizjournals.com/portland/event/77611

Here he mentions taking over Iovation when it was bleeding 1 million a month with 3 months of funds left:
http://www.bizjournals.com/portland/...ers-climb.html

I wonder how he turned the company around .

Do you know which year he joined the company?

It said 5 year somewhere, so probably in 08 some time.

Where do I sign up to get away with stealing millions and then get recognized as a trailblazing entrepreneur?

Seriously, how do these slick pieces of **** sleep at night?

If you read the PRs over the years there are many companies that have incorporated Iovation's Reputation Manager into their platform. This potentially taints the entire verification system in the US. In all seriousness, no company that has ever integrated their system with Iovation should be able to do business in the regulated industry. I wonder what that would leave in terms of security companies and if there is a way to reverse engineer these mergers of information.

xposting this from the smoking gun thread as it probably belongs more here

came across this thread and noticed couple of interested posts:

The first post contains:

"EWORLDHOLDINGS. hmmmm. hahahaa.
This info here http://www.ultimatepoker.com/about/index.html or inquiries@eworldholdings.net"

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...54&postcount=1

Another post has this:

"Excapsa owns domain names, including UltimateBet.com and UltimatePoker.com"

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...0&postcount=22

Now obviously ultimatepoker is the new http://www.ultimatepoker.com/

So, if it was posted in '09 excapsa owned the domain, is there any possible connection with the new site or has there been any clarification on this?

Or just unrelated?

http://www.ultimatepoker.com/about/index.html

That is a bad link.

The point he is making is that was an active link in 2009, which proved that Excapsa owned the domain UltimatePoker.com at the time.

But we already knew that. The domain seemed to pass into the hands of some affiliate farm site after that, and finally ended up somehow in the hands of Ultimate Gaming. There isn't any evidence to show a direct connection between Excapsa and today's UltimatePoker.com. It's just part of the chain of ownership of the domain.

UFCPoker would have been a much better name, but that ship has sailed.

alot of names could've been better than Ultimate Poker.

Game starts, Hold 'em, hand #1334380 may 18 saturday 2013 ultimate poker[UltimateBet] 7:45pm
Your hole cards are Q Q
eddietown777: complete online cheating scams - ultimate poker[UltimateBet]
The flop is 10 8 5
The turn is 9
The river is A
eddietown777 shows Q Q
bobspoker shows 3 A
caRlos6211: LOL
bobspoker wins 1,240 with a pair of aces
eddietown777: complete online cheating scams
Game starts, Hold 'em, hand #1334458
caRlos6211: LOL
eddietown777: complete online cheating scams
eddietown777, it's your turn, to be cheated?
caRlos6211: LOL
On December 20, 2008 Hellmuth was playing $200/$400 heads up limit hold em on , where he was at the time a spokesman, when an apparent software glitch occurred. The $5599 pot was awarded to Hellmuth, even though he held the worst hand. (His opponent held K♦ Q♥ for Three Kings and Hellmuth held 10x 2x for two pair.) This hand became the subject of considerable controversy in online forums due to Hellmuth's later comments about the hand. Immediately after the other player informed him of the error in awarding the pot, Hellmuth simply commented, "You wanna play or what?" and "I play U limit, right now." In addition, when later questioned about the hand, Hellmuth commented that he had experienced such errors a hundred times in his online career, "maybe 50 the wrong way to them and 50 the wrong way to me."[32] (This contradicted the official statement of Ultimatebet that no other cases of this error had been found.[33]) Finally, the previous cheating scandal at Ultimatebet led to suspicions about the plausibility of the company's explanation for the computer bug that they claim caused the error

but seriously ... this thread isn't for random posts and/or rigged theories (aka bad beat stories)

Just for the record, here is the e-mail that I sent to the New Jersey Division of Gaming Enforcement:

And here is their response:

Not much of a response, but at least they will look at it.

I'd like to send similar information to foreign gambling regulatory authorities in foreign jurisdictions where Iovation operates, but need some help finding info on:

1. Foreign jurisdictions where Iovation is licensed or operates as a service provider to online gambling/poker sites.
2. Regulatory authority contact info for the jurisdictions.

I might also need help to translate to the foreign language, or at least to proof a google translation.

Volunteers to handle specific jurisdictions are welcome as well.

Note: To be added to the letter next time for UB scandal reference:
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/29...-sticky-251207

Here is a partial list of iovation customers circa 2008
Cupid Sunny Mohka - VP of Product Management
OnlineBootyCall Michael Ramsbacker - CTO
Fling.com Mauricio (Mo) Botero - VP of Operations
GreenTube Bernd Krczal - CFO
GlobalPersonals Jessica Dimsdale - Fraud and Support Mgr.
SportingBet Shane O'Neill - Fraud
First Beat Media Donna Hatfield - Fraud Manager
LasVegasFromHome Neal Griffiths - Fraud Manager
NCsoft Chris Freeman - Fraud
UBT (Ultimate Blackjack Tour) Carolyn Heick - Fraud Manager
Full Tilt Poker Contact Missing/Data present
Nexon Arthur Chu - Fraud Manager
HomeShoppingNetwork Jim Houlihan - Director of Fraud
Vesta Jonathan Le - Director of Risk Management
Donamis Jeff Young - Partner
ECM Greg Cathcart - Operations Manager
GE Money Tammie Watson - Fraud Strategy Mgr.
WestStar Shelly Keizer - Loss Prevention Manager
ClickAndBuy Nina Coodien-Nariapara - Fraud Mgr.
24h Poker Leonid Nezgoda - Fraud Manager
PayByCash Andrew Magruder - CTO
Betdaq Susan Duff - Fraud and Compliance Specialist
JoyousPower Raoul Blautzik - Sr. VP Operations & Mktng
Artix Entertainment Courtney Nawara - Customer Service Mgr.
Ntreev USA Sang Kwon - Operations Manager
Handango Steve Riddell - Fraud Prevention Manager
Zynga Steve Schoettler - Chief Engineer, Founder
THSale Michael Zhang - GM
Dubit John Rennie - Head of Moderation
Instinct Marketing Monir Mamoun - VP
Bingo.com Henry Bromley - CFO
DirectNetPay Adam West - Managing Partner
BlueSquare Tina Draper - Fraud Manager
PalTalk Mario Lattanzio
Sparter Rob Veres - Fraud Manager
Area Marketing Klaus Thuesen - CTO
ItemMania Soo Sam - Fraud Management
GoldenArchCasino Henry Chen - Fraud Tech
RedPlanetGaming Xenia Spremo - Risk & Fraud Manager
Interconsult Yonita Kusheva - Treasury & Risk Manager

Thread talking about sportsbooks using iesnare back in 2008
http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/...hlight=iesnare

Some of the names from forum posts are:
Intertops - forum post
Betcris - forum post
Bodog
miapuesta.com
Blue Square
Jaxx.com
Noxwin
Bet U K
Sunmaker
Diamond
Ladbrokes
Bwin
Bet365
WilliamHill
St Minver
Moneybookers
Virgin Casino
Sky Betting and Gaming

Sites in other countries can usually identify the previous ieSnare implementation in a .dll file called StmOCX.dll

Thanks for posting that ElevenGrover. BTW, FWIW I gave you a shout-out in the last PPA update: http://theppa.org/newsletters/2013/0...more-05152013/

What would we do without