I didn't understand what Limon and Bart were talking about with "you can't beat the rake". In the 1/3 games where I am, it is 10% maximum $5. That should be about $10/hour, probably $5/hour with as few hands as I play.

That $5+ drop per hand in California must be bad for low stakes. I guess it is the same regardless of stakes. I guess that is why they don't have 1/2 NL or limit below 4/8 with full kill.

If the authors can't answer Bart's video, they should probably have the manuscript looked over be decent players before releasing the book.

Lol no they don’t have to do anything at all before releasing the book. They are massively overqualified to write a book on introductory low limit poker.

Now this doesn’t mean it’s going to be a good book or one that people agree with. But the notion that they need some sort of sign-off is funny

Didn’t watch his video and don’t care enough to, but is it based on excerpts posted here or did he get the full book?

The video is on the 5 hands from the Introduction posted here. I recommend watching it, and then you can comment on this better. They may be massively overqualified, but I would recommend having people go over the manuscript before publishing or posting more of it publicly. If the hands they posted here were played well, the book needs to explain why when it presents the hands.

Lol the guy races to post a video on an excerpt. No I’m not going to watch it. But I’m going to get the book if only to see what crying is about.

Still not sure why people with lower IQs and way less experience need to review the manuscript

But an unknown Joe Blow wouldn’t even need to have anything reviewed. If he gets it published somehow no one is forced to buy.

You are not going to watch the video. Did you read the excerpt?

Aside from the late position overlimp with KK, there is an UTG limp with AK with no reason given. Then he shoves the turn for twice pot when you could easily bet the turn and shove the river, and again no explanation. Also, no explanation for not 3-betting with AK a small late position raise from a loose aggressive player and a button call. The video goes over all 5 hands in detail. There is a problem with the manuscript for that chapter. Either the plays are questionable or they are not properly explained. It looks like OMC style play. If it is great out of the box play, it needs to be explained better.

I only skimmed the excerpt, saw a few seemingly unorthodox plays, but at this juncture it doesn’t matter to me.

Given the authors I’m getting it regardless and I imagine it will be explained. But if it isn’t or I don’t personally agree with it then there isn’t any harm done. And I’ll probably enjoy it overall anyway.

It’s not some type of medical textbook where wrong information could somehow hurt society.

looking forward to buying the book on Kindle, gentlemen...between hard copies, Kindle and Audible I have read over 150 poker books since 2009...some are better than others, but if you can get one or two good nuggets or exploits from a poker book it's worth the purchase price IMO...

Yeah, there may be some good exploits and plays in it. It doesn't matter if the play in the hand examples seems questionable. I plan on reading the book anyway.

Again, the introduction is not representative of the book. The plays are not something we typically recommend. Most of the chapters are about how various factors affect various decisions. Then in some cases we point out that if the factors are unusual enough you may want to contemplate a play that is different from what would be expected (eg the big blind tries to play tight preflop but then loses way too much with top pair, bad kicker if he gets a free flop). In our book Poker and More we give some not matter of opinion examples that show that a reluctance to stray from GTO costs more than GTO people might want to admit. There is no point in continuing this discussion until you read the book (and actually the other one as well),)

The Introduction should make more clear that these were all deviations from standard play to exploit the way players or the table were playing, because the way it was presented it looks like awful weak tight play.

Of course they're not properly explained, this was just a few examples, to try to get people interested in the book, which will have the explanations. How difficult is that for you guys to understand?

By the way, I think Doyle Brunson was a fish on a lifetime heater. You can't justify playing T2o like a maniac, I should make a video about that.

You mean something like this (taken from the OP)?

"...different from much of the standard advice that is out there. So why do we do this?

The answer is simple. Against poor playing opponents..."

What you seem to be saying is that the introduction is a bad ad for the book.

No link for the presale?

Why have 5 HH examples if they are outliers and not representing the source material?

GTO barely belongs in 2/5 live (or lower) and most people dont even understand when it should be applied so straying lower limit live players away from GTO is certainly correct. Turning them into giant nits to squeeze out $6 an hour is -ev when McDonalds pays more. Its not 2006 anymore where you can sit around for 2 hours waiting for an overpair to stack a fish with top pair J kicker and every crusher I see at 2/5 or lower plays like Bart Hanson recommends.

Im also wondering how many hours David and Mason logged at low stakes. Surely people would have recognized them in public. Has this been addressed yet?

Again lots of people *like me* are happy making 6 dollars an hour at the casino. It's not my job

Using the word "lots" is not accurate. Most people who are trying to learn poker understand if you put the work in much bigger winrates are going to be there in the future. You will almost certainly never become a decent sized winner being a giant nit whos 4th in with a limped KK. Really nits dont even do that, a lot of those HH's would be considered trolling if it wasn't mods posting them.

Dont post atrocious HHs without even having the basics to hand reading included then get defensive when something so easily attackable gets ripped apart.

There will be over 200 pages to follow the extreme hand examples we gave in the Introduction. Do you think there might be some explanation to follow?

Mason

I think Hanson was stung by the criticism that you can't beat these games, and as I stated earlier, I don't know what he said. Too bad he's unaware of what the next 200+ pages will say.

Mason

Before you conclude this was weak-tight play, you should read the whole example.

Mason

Why publish an Introduction that gives weird nitty plays without explanation of the context and makes the book look bad? They are all tight plays, no weird bluffs, etc.

If I was OP i would kindly ask you to not ever read my book and leave my thread once you hit post #38 on why you dont like page 6 of my book. ………..



…………over under on post #39, the defense to needing 38 previous posts, is 2 hours and 12 minutes. Sharps are betting the under heavy

Bart stated in his YouTube video that the planned on reading the book.

Here's a preliminary Table of Contents.

.........Table of Contents


About David Sklansky

About Mason Malmuth

Why This Book

Introduction
...A Few Examples
...What About a Higher Stakes Game?
...So, Why Do So Many Instructors Emphasize GTO Play?
...And Who is this Book For?
...A Note on Our Notation
...Half of Your Opponents Probably Play Fairly Well
...Using “Solvers” With This Book

Poker “Hustlers” — Not Like Pool/Golf Hustlers

Dispensing with “Game Theory” (GTO)

The $5 + $2 Rake

Part One: Play Before the Flop
...Introduction
...Making Them Play Bad
...Recognize Their Short-Term Tilt
...Quitting a Good Game When Nicely Ahead
...Should You Change Games?
...Smallish Stacks/Buy-Ins Are Often Best
...Limping First-In
...Hands You Might Limp With In Early Position
...When Your Limp is Raised
...When There Are Limpers In Front of You
...When Someone is Likely to Raise a Limp..
...Rating Starting Hands
...Raising Preflop
...You Could Be The Loosest Player in Some Games
...When They Don’t Bluff
...Set Mining
...Isolation Raises
...Consider Huge Reraises with Those Top Four Hands
...Disobey Other’s Loose Big Blind Calling Advice
...Their Extra Large Preflop Openings
...When They Raise in Front of You
...When You Get 3-Bet
...The Power of Aces
...Tend To Prefer That The Pot Be Multiway
...Preflop Percentages and Matchups
......Matchups Preflop
......Sample Matchup Against a Range
...Sweetening the Pot
...Limp Stealing and Squeeze Plays
...Ace-King —The Best Preflop Move-in Hand
...The Min-Reraise
...Straddles
...Construct And/Or Realize Your Image
...Acknowledge Your Shortcomings
...Short Thoughts

Part Two: Play on the Flop
...Introduction
...Creating Money Out of Thin Air
...Benefitting From Their Mistakes
...The “Continuation” Bet And the “Donk” Bet
...Overcharging Drawing Hands
...When Your One Opponent Bets Into Your Flush Draw on The Flop
...Pot Sweeteners On The Flop
...Not Just a Cute Play
...Small Bluffs Work in Some Games
...Raising to “Find Out”
...The Three Important Folds That You Should Usually Make Though Most Don’t
...Top Pair, Bad Kicker
...In Multiway Pots, be Careful with Top Pair
...There Aren’t Five Aces In The Deck
...Small Extra Chances Aren’t Small
...Short Thoughts

Part Three: Play On the Turn and River
...Introduction
...The Future Bet Power of the GTO Player
...Moving-In On The Turn with a Draw
...“Pot Control”
...Accepting That Your Premium Hand Has Become a Bluff Catcher
...A Typical Hand Where You Probably Lose Too Much
...Heads-Up On The River and First to Act
...Bet Sizing When First On the River
...Heads-Up on the River When Second to Act
...Betting the River After Checking and Calling
...River Raises Versus Weak/Timid Opponents And Others
...A Little River Bluff That Might Pay Nice Dividends
...His River Bluff Frequency
...Should Good Hands Bet Less on the River than Bluffs?
...Bird In Hand Not Worth Three in the Bush
...Split Pots
...Turning a Hand into a Bluff
...Short Thoughts

Conclusion

Sure sounds more fun than working at McDonalds as a hobby!