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12-16-2023 , 08:24 PM
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Originally Posted by javi
Last night OMC limps the BTN behind 2 other limpers. SB raises, only BTN calls. SB barrels off and jams river on a J88T4hh runnout. Shows AK high, OMC shows QQ. 2/5 @1k effective
#sklanskywasright
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12-17-2023 , 12:02 AM
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Originally Posted by javi
Last night OMC limps the BTN behind 2 other limpers. SB raises, only BTN calls. SB barrels off and jams river on a J88T4hh runnout. Shows AK high, OMC shows QQ. 2/5 @1k effective
Must have been fairly large bets to get 200xBB in with 4 bets.
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12-17-2023 , 10:57 AM
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Originally Posted by deuceblocker
Must have been fairly large bets to get 200xBB in with 4 bets.
https://x.com/TheCensoredRock/status...177935976?s=20
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12-17-2023 , 11:26 AM
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Originally Posted by AAJTo
#sklanskywasright

Sounds like this would have happened had OMC opened the button anyways and gotten 3 bet
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12-17-2023 , 05:41 PM
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Originally Posted by AAJTo
#sklanskywasright
I remember one time I cold called a ep open and a mp 3bet with 87s from the CO and floped a str8 and won. So clearly my preflop cold call was correct
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12-18-2023 , 01:30 AM
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Originally Posted by _billyjex_
Sounds like this would have happened had OMC opened the button anyways and gotten 3 bet
Possibly, but he might not have tried to 3 barrel bluff an OMC who had raised preflop.
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12-18-2023 , 02:00 AM
Hi Everyone:

The book is now finished and we have loaded it into Amazon. As soon as it goes live, and that can take a couple of days, I'll let everyone know. In the meantime, here's the final Table of Contents.

About David Sklansky v

About Mason Malmuth vii

Why This Book ix

Introduction 1
...A Few Examples 2
...What About a Higher Stakes Game? 9
...So, Why Do So Many Instructors Emphasize GTO Play? 9
...And Who is this Book For? 10
...A Note on Our Notation 10
...Half of Your Opponents Probably Play Fairly Well 11
...Using “Solvers” With This Book 12

Dispensing with “Game Theory” (GTO) 14

The $5 + $2 Rake 17

Part One: Play Before the Flop 19
...Introduction 20
...Making Them Play Bad 22
...Recognize Their Short-Term Tilt 24
...Quitting a Good Game When Nicely Ahead 25
...Should You Change Games? 26
...Smallish Stacks/Buy-Ins Are Often Best 28
...Limping First-In 30
...Hands You Might Limp With In Early Position 33
...When Your Limp is Raised 38
...When There Are Limpers In Front of You 41
...When Someone is Likely to Raise a Limp 45
...Rating Starting Hands 47
...Raising Preflop 51
...You Could Be The Loosest Player in Some Games 53
...When They Don't Bluff 55
...Set Mining 57
...Isolation Raises 60
...Consider Huge Reraises with Those Top Four Hands 62
...Disobey Other’s Loose Big Blind Calling Advice 63
...Their Extra Large Preflop Openings 65
...When They Raise in Front of You 67
...When You Get 3-Bet 73
...The Power of Aces 75
...Tend To Prefer That The Pot Be Multiway 77
...Preflop Percentages and Matchups 80
......Matchups Preflop 81
......Sample Matchup Against a Range 82
...Sweetening the Pot 83
...Limp Stealing and Squeeze Plays 85
...Ace-King —The Best Preflop Move-in Hand 88
...The Min-Reraise 90
...Straddles 91
...Construct And/Or Realize Your Image 94
...Acknowledge Your Shortcomings 97
...Short Thoughts 99

Part Two: Play on the Flop 103
...Introduction 104
...Creating Money Out of Thin Air 105
...Benefitting From Their Mistakes 108
...The “Continuation” Bet And the “Donk” Bet 111
...Overcharging Drawing Hands 113
...When Your One Opponent Bets Into Your Flush Draw on The Flop 115
...Pot Sweeteners On The Flop 117
...Not Just a Cute Play 121
...The Rope-a-Dope 124
...Small Bluffs Work in Some Games 126
...Raising to “Find Out” 128
...The Three Important Folds That You Should Usually Make Though Most Don’t 130
...Top Pair, Bad Kicker 133
...In Multiway Pots, be Careful with Top Pair 135
...There Aren’t Five Aces In The Deck 137
...Small Extra Chances Aren’t Small 139
...Floating 142
...Short Thoughts 144

Part Three: Play On the Turn and River 151
...Introduction 152
...The Future Bet Power of the GTO Player 153
...Moving-In On The Turn with a Draw 155
...“Pot Control” 158
...Accepting That Your Premium Hand Has Become a Bluff Catcher 160
...A Typical Hand Where You Probably Lose Too Much 163
...Heads-Up On The River and First to Act 165
...Bet Sizing When First On the River 168
...Heads-Up on the River When Second to Act 172
...Betting the River After Checking and Calling 174
...River Raises Versus Weak/Timid Opponents And Others 177
...A Little River Bluff That Might Pay Nice Dividends 180
...His River Bluff Frequency 182
...Bird In Hand Not Worth Three in the Bush 184
...Split Pots 186
...Betting Strategy When Someone is All-in 189
...Turning a Good Hand into a Bluff 192
...Short Thoughts 195

Part Four: A Quiz 199
...Introduction 200
...The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly 202

Conclusion 213
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12-18-2023 , 02:43 AM
Think I will get this ebook, for old times sake. I can always return to the "waterproof" strategies, or try to.

Food for thought, respect.
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12-18-2023 , 06:00 AM
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Originally Posted by javi
Last night OMC limps the BTN behind 2 other limpers. SB raises, only BTN calls. SB barrels off and jams river on a J88T4hh runnout. Shows AK high, OMC shows QQ. 2/5 @1k effective
Forgot to mention this particularly cute exchange;

OMC - "I put you on aces or kings...... i only called to hit the high hand....."
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12-18-2023 , 08:58 AM
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Originally Posted by javi
Forgot to mention this particularly cute exchange;

OMC - "I put you on aces or kings...... i only called to hit the high hand....."
Huh? He called all the way to the river to hit a high hand?

Nah, he said that to put the whipper-snapper on tilt.
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12-18-2023 , 11:08 AM
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Originally Posted by chillrob
He's doing well FOR A HOBBY!
It's not his job, and I'm pretty sure he has an actual job, where he probably makes more per hour.

I don't see how you can actually be this dense. You know most people spend money on hobbies, right? Even most people who play poker as a hobby lose money. Yet you think HE is the sucker, not the guy who spends thousands on his boat or his golf clubs and country club membership?

He's doing something he has fun at, while making a bit at the same time. Playing with more serious players at higher stakes likely wouldn't be as much fun, and might not even be available where he lives (it's not an area with tons of poker).

Bill Gates used to go to Mirage and play 3-6 LHE. Would you have laughed at him and told him he should move up? No matter what poker game he played he won't make as much money as he does for work.
What a sucker in the rake trap, LOL!
BILL GATES DOESN'T SPEND 6000 HOURS PLAYING 3-6 LHE!! I'M TYPING IN CAPS AS YOU CAN'T UNDERSTAND OTHERWISE
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12-18-2023 , 11:16 AM
You really should have stretched it two hundred and twenty two pages
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12-18-2023 , 11:17 AM
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Originally Posted by PointlessWords
Go tell a normal person you have a fool proof way to make $20k a year at the casino. They will tell you you’re lying.

Oh but he’s wasting his time


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Lol 20k a year doesn't even cover the average mortgage/rent anymore. If you want to play low stakes and have fun by all means enjoy it, but when he said he played 6000 HOURS that means you're spending some serious hours of your life playing when you could be doing other things. Let's also understand a casino is a terrible life environment - spending 20 hours a week there basically to cover the groceries for the week is not ideal. I mean if you're retired or live in your mom's basement/car, then keep slumming it if you truly enjoy it, but I think we should expect more of ourselves. I know I'll get roasted by all the guys who make like 50k or less a year playing but just being real.
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12-18-2023 , 11:18 AM
The book is now up on Amazon

https://www.amazon.com/dp/1880685698
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12-18-2023 , 12:34 PM
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Originally Posted by pokerfan655
Lol 20k a year doesn't even cover the average mortgage/rent anymore. If you want to play low stakes and have fun by all means enjoy it, but when he said he played 6000 HOURS that means you're spending some serious hours of your life playing when you could be doing other things. Let's also understand a casino is a terrible life environment - spending 20 hours a week there basically to cover the groceries for the week is not ideal. I mean if you're retired or live in your mom's basement/car, then keep slumming it if you truly enjoy it, but I think we should expect more of ourselves. I know I'll get roasted by all the guys who make like 50k or less a year playing but just being real.
Clearly it’s not his sole source of income
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12-18-2023 , 01:02 PM
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Originally Posted by PointlessWords
Clearly it’s not his sole source of income
Probably not his sole source of income but when you spend thousands of hours on something is it still just a hobby? Personally i cant imagine wanting to spend that much time around your average low stakes live poker player. Some of the most miserable people on earth.
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12-18-2023 , 01:35 PM
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Originally Posted by pokerfan655
BILL GATES DOESN'T SPEND 6000 HOURS PLAYING 3-6 LHE!! I'M TYPING IN CAPS AS YOU CAN'T UNDERSTAND OTHERWISE
You don't think there are people who spend that many hours on other hobbies (in which they lose money)?

Over 20 years (since the beginning of the poker boom) that's fewer than 6 hours a week. That's playing poker once a week.

I've spent way more than that amount of time going out to live music, even though I don't like most of the environments, and most of the other people there annoy me.
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12-18-2023 , 01:51 PM
Spoiler'ed due to this being a complete derail from the thread about the book / strategy / release.

Spoiler:

~6000 hours over ~15 years of 1/3 NL works out to about 400 hours per year. *Clearly* hobby territory. You understand what a hobby is, right? You know, something we spend some time on for complete fun and lols and that we get some enjoyment out out of, as silly as it may be?

Now quit showing up to someone's birthday party and making it all about your trip to France, imo.

GcluelessthreadetiquettenoobG


Ggoodluckwiththebook!G
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12-18-2023 , 02:20 PM
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Originally Posted by dude45
Probably not his sole source of income but when you spend thousands of hours on something is it still just a hobby? Personally i cant imagine wanting to spend that much time around your average low stakes live poker player. Some of the most miserable people on earth.
Yeah, that’s sort of the definition of a hobby
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12-18-2023 , 02:30 PM
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Originally Posted by pokerfan655
BILL GATES DOESN'T SPEND 6000 HOURS PLAYING 3-6 LHE!! I'M TYPING IN CAPS AS YOU CAN'T UNDERSTAND OTHERWISE
MAYBE CAP BOLD AND UNDERLINE WILL GET THE MESSAGE ACROSS.
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12-18-2023 , 02:36 PM
I ordered a copy. I will get it on Friday. I have to make sure to play a lot over that weekend to take advantage of the information the other players won't have.

I really like the TOC. 5 sections on limping, in contrast to the Miller book, which says never limp or overlimp. I am pretty sure they don't advocate limp/calling from the BTN with QQ though. I agree with sometimes limping when others are limping at 1/3 or 2/5, but I don't make it a major part of my game.
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12-18-2023 , 04:00 PM
I ordered it
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12-18-2023 , 04:22 PM
I bought it. As a semi-professoinal $1/3 player with leaks, I look forward to reading.
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12-18-2023 , 06:43 PM
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Originally Posted by JimL
The problem is that it is possible to make the most bizarre play the correct play if you adjust the assumptions/reads about the other players.
That is only reasonable criticism if the assumptions are very unusual and very precise. I made up a hypothetical example that would still work if adjusted in various ways. And the totality of those adjustments/scenarios would come up fairly often.
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12-18-2023 , 07:02 PM
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Originally Posted by chillrob
Possibly, but he might not have tried to 3 barrel bluff an OMC who had raised preflop.
OMC would have folded to the 3 bet!
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