yes he should want to move out of the rake trap that is 1-2

Yeah that too, for some people the losses hurt much more than the wins

If i moved up from 1/3 i would probably bring only 1 buy in and play scared

I know that so i stay at 1/2 or 1/3 and bring several buyins

Seems like he's doing pretty well in the rake trap.

These guys give such crazy responses that now I really think they're just wanting people to move up to where they can lose money to the pros.

It’s just robotic thinking

Which can be quite a handicap when playing poker as you are often trying to get inside the mind of your opponent and how they appear to view the game

Doing well doesn't make it any less of a rake trap

It makes it a reason to continue playing (along with enjoying it).

Thought a rake trap meant it was an unbeatable game. Thus it seems like it makes it completely less, and need a new term for it

I thought it just meant a game where the rake was really high. Personally i call any game where the rake is your toughest competition a rake trap. Loads of folks would be crushing 2nl if it wasn't for the super high rake. Of course if you're losing against the field pre rake things are even worse

If your toughest opponent is the rake, it is an easy game. However, I have never totally gotten comfortable with NLHE cash, but I would always play 2/5 rather than 1/2. At 2/5, you get 6-way raised hands to the flop, etc., but the play is sort of understandable reasonable. Plus you can win a lot more per hour, etc. 1/3 and 1/2 play a lot smaller than 2/5 in a way, because of so many limped pots.

I was playing 1/3 and there was a 4-flush on the board on the turn in a 5-way limped pot with the flop checked. Then a pot bet and a call. I folded 4th nuts from the BB. The river went check/check, and it was won by top pair. So sometimes hard to figure out, make correct plays.

1/2 and 1/3 NL are the weirdest, but it is similar with 2/2 PLO. You get a lot of 7-way limped pots. Then someone raises pot, and everyone calls. They think he has AA and that is easy to crack. Then you have 5-way 3-bet pots with like 350 in their preflop with 4 in blinds.

Limit games, whatever games, are similar up to 10/20 or so. Lots of players to the flop, not that much raising or 3-betting. Then most flat call the flop without much raising.

The play is really bad in all of these, but how to exploit it, as well as beat the rake is tricky. So there is a need for good books, etc. on low stakes. I hope this is one of them.

Deuce what ive noticed at the baccarat table is some huge whales. It seems like it should be profitable but then I go there and I dont even get to play against them. So instead of winning millions the only pokers thats being spread is the 1/2 poker. And so anyways what I like to do is jam it in there. Hand after hand until either I have everyone’s money or im broke. But then I just go to the ATM and check the baccarat table again. But they won’t let me play against the other players. So then I got in an argument with the pit boss and lost. He kicked me from the casino but the poker room stopped him on the way out the door and invited me back. Everyone at the tables treats me like their best friend. People start pumping their stacks in. I win all the money at the tables pretty much every day and so then they came up to me and kicked me out again. I wanted to try the baccarrat so badly but they are telling me its a permanent ban.

You should ask Phil Ivey for some tips on baccarat. I understand a top player can beat it big.

Dude the guy said he has 6000 hours of tracked results - does that sound like someone dicking around having fun? If you're playing these low stakes in a serious manner which 6000 hours is serious then you're wasting your time when you could be improving/possibly making more money. Imagine if NFL players were like hey I like playing against high school kids I don't want to play in the NFL. See how stupid that sounds?

ya 15-20/hr is doing well lol. Maybe in a 3rd world country.

It sounds stupid because it's a terrible analogy.

NFL players are professionals.

Not every single person that plays 1/2 has aspirations to play poker for a living.

The guy is obviously playing what he wants for a reason. I’m sure if the room has a 2/5 or higher available he fully realizes that he could be playing in it. But he doesn’t. For a reason only known to him because we all play poker for different reasons.

Still not sure what people are hung up on here

Go tell a normal person you have a fool proof way to make $20k a year at the casino. They will tell you you’re lying.

Oh but he’s wasting his time


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He's doing well FOR A HOBBY!
It's not his job, and I'm pretty sure he has an actual job, where he probably makes more per hour.

I don't see how you can actually be this dense. You know most people spend money on hobbies, right? Even most people who play poker as a hobby lose money. Yet you think HE is the sucker, not the guy who spends thousands on his boat or his golf clubs and country club membership?

He's doing something he has fun at, while making a bit at the same time. Playing with more serious players at higher stakes likely wouldn't be as much fun, and might not even be available where he lives (it's not an area with tons of poker).

Bill Gates used to go to Mirage and play 3-6 LHE. Would you have laughed at him and told him he should move up? No matter what poker game he played he won't make as much money as he does for work.
What a sucker in the rake trap, LOL!

Some people are considering playing professional and want to start out lower than 2/5. Also, some people may have been playing online, limit games, etc., and want to try transitioning to live NLHE cash, and want to experiment at smaller stakes first.

If everyone who played poker had to make 25 dollars per hour or more to enjoy it, there would be no poker

There are probably losing amateur players who are interested in a book that will help them lose less.

piss poor analogy. i could make millions in the nfl but play for free in the street instead is nowhere near someone playing 1/2 who is a small winner instead of moving up to 2/5 to MAYBE make a little more money with bigger swings playing for fun. the apt analogy would be someone saying they could crush high rollers but they choose to play 1/2 nl and make 10 bucks an hour. see how stupid your analogy sounds?

I mean for a lot of people who have a decent income outside of poker, an extra couple of bucks an hour which means nothing to them isn't worth having less fun when they play.

6000 hours of 1/2 nl sounds like torture to me but if someone enjoys it then good for them.

we all have hobbies we spend money on so obviously when it comes to hobbies having a little more money isn't the objective.

"the game is so soft" bros are increasingly the most irritating idiots on these boards.

No pro is going to take even 1/10th the money the rake is going to take from you and just because there is a "pro" at the 2/5 table doesn't mean anything cause hes probably terrible too.

Last night OMC limps the BTN behind 2 other limpers. SB raises, only BTN calls. SB barrels off and jams river on a J88T4hh runnout. Shows AK high, OMC shows QQ. 2/5 @1k effective